ALTA/NSPS Relative Positional Precision

Steve Douty

Well-Known Member
As of February 23, 2021 the "Minimum Standard Detail Requirements for ALTA/NSPS Land Title Surveys" and the associated "Measurement Standards" have been changed. As a result of this change I believe it would be appreciated if the JAVAD team provided us with a second option when requesting a "Relative Accuracy Report".

The new ALTA/NSPS requires (in part):
"Relative Positional Precision” means the length of the semi-major axis, expressed in meters or feet, of the error ellipse representing the uncertainty in the position of the monument or witness marking any boundary corner of the surveyed property relative to the position of the monument or witness marking an immediately adjacent boundary corner of the surveyed property...."

This new standard requires the relative position be reported between "adjacent boundary corner(s)..." whereas, the old standard could be read as requiring the reporting of relative positions between ALL of the corners within the survey. As an example: I just completed a survey of a property that contained six (6) property corners. The present JAVAD report yields fifteen (15) relative position results. I believe the new standard is only asking us to evaluate and certify only to six (6) six of these reported results.

I am requesting that the JAVAD team provide us with a second "Relative Positional Precision Report" option that allows us to chose the corners in the order of adjacent corners we require. As an example we could list the boundary corners in the order we pick (1,4,2,3,6,5,1) and the report would yield the relative positional precisions of the six adjoining lines in the sequence requested.

Also; the present report uses a "Positional Tolerance of 0.06561667 ft + 50.0 ppm at the 95%". The ALTA/NSPS standard ask for "2 cm (0.07 feet) plus 50 parts per million (based on the direct distance between the two corners being tested)." The present report is using 0.06561667, which is 2 cm in US Survey feet; NOT the 0.07 feet called for in the new standard. I am requesting that team consider changing the report(s) to reflect the requirements of the standard.

I know all of this is long and "Geeky", but that is what we are! Looking forward to Geeky feedback.;)
 

Bryan Enfinger

Active Member
As far as usft, that has been eliminated in the new 2022 datum. The difference between usft and ift (new standard) is minimal for 2cm. The new report should use the ift standard irregardless of the ALTA requirements in my opinion
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
I would love to see this. I don't know if I would use it often. But it would be FUN for us Geeks to look at.

I think it would help educate surveyors (myself included) on the reasonable precision we should use to report areas. I see and hear surveyors have widely varying opinions on the subject, which shouldn't really be based on opinion at all. If I know that the area of a polygon, based on the statistics of the points in the polygon, is +/- 0.01 acre, then I shouldn't report the acreage with a precision that is less than 0.01 acre. And conversely if the area precision is +/- 0.001, then I should feel confident reporting the acreage to a higher precision.

I can roughly estimate acreage precision, but it would be nice to see it calculated with more certainty.
 

Steve Douty

Well-Known Member
I think it would help educate surveyors (myself included) on the reasonable precision we should use to report areas. I see and hear surveyors have widely varying opinions on the subject, which shouldn't really be based on opinion at all. If I know that the area of a polygon, based on the statistics of the points in the polygon, is +/- 0.01 acre, then I shouldn't report the acreage with a precision that is less than 0.01 acre. And conversely if the area precision is +/- 0.001, then I should feel confident reporting the acreage to a higher precision.

I can roughly estimate acreage precision, but it would be nice to see it calculated with more certainty.
I am in agreement with you. I have argued about the ration of the state licensing agency requiring (demanding) that I report the area on my plat to the nearest 0.001 acre without regard to size of parcel (2,000+ acres) or the definition of the surveyed boundary (middle of a stream/river/pond, top of a ridge....). I have considered posting my boundary as 1526.123 ac. +/- 1.625 ac.

Thanks for the geek talk.
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
My thoughts exactly Steve. The nature of the boundary is definitely part of it. Natural boundaries tend to have a lot of variance. I would be tempted to use the same solution you suggest if statute required that sort of precision in reporting.
 
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