Cluster Average Settings, and HOLD down the on button resets more than it did before.

[Nate The Surveyor]

OK, I was on a job recently. Something was malfunctioning in the LS. I pressed the ON button, and did an all reset. (Long press of on button, until it shuts down).

It cleared all my settings for point descriptions. It never did this before.

When I used CLUSTER AVERAGE, all its settings were changed. It never did this before.

I carefully deleted all the _AVG points. Then, I discovered that it also did not copy the POINT DESCRIPTIONS, as normal. Then, what the heck is "BYPASS SINGLE POINTS"???
Does anybody use AVERAGE on single points? So, now I'm deleting all the funky cluster points. I was very frustrated. Start over.

Then, as I thought about it, I thought, why not ALLOW this place to average SINGLE points, as in, RTK, and RTPK points?
So......
And, WHY is there an average of SINGLE POINTS allowed, at this point?

Thanks,
Nate

 

[Shawn Billings - Javad]

And, WHY is there an average of SINGLE POINTS allowed, at this point?

Javad himself wanted it, but I can't remember the purpose. It had a reason for being there. I've never used it either.

 

[Shawn Billings - Javad]

I wonder if the settings change was related to the "something was malfunctioning in the LS" instead of the "long press of on button, until it shuts down", because you're right, the forced power cycle procedure shouldn't reset any settings.

 

[nusouthsc]

OK, I was on a job recently. Something was malfunctioning in the LS. I pressed the ON button, and did an all reset. (Long press of on button, until it shuts down).

It cleared all my settings for point descriptions. It never did this before.

When I used CLUSTER AVERAGE, all its settings were changed. It never did this before.

I carefully deleted all the _AVG points. Then, I discovered that it also did not copy the POINT DESCRIPTIONS, as normal. Then, what the heck is "BYPASS SINGLE POINTS"???
Does anybody use AVERAGE on single points? So, now I'm deleting all the funky cluster points. I was very frustrated. Start over.

Then, as I thought about it, I thought, why not ALLOW this place to average SINGLE points, as in, RTK, and RTPK points?
So......
And, WHY is there an average of SINGLE POINTS allowed, at this point?

Thanks,
Nate

I use Single point every time I cluster average. Heres the process.
I’ll take all my shots on page 0. In this I have multi-point shots on property corners like 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc. I also have single shots for improvements, etc. When I am done I cluster average all my points and send them to page 9. When I cluster I do NOT bypass single points. What this does is give me all my points on page 9 minus the 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. All the multishot points become just 1 point and the single points get brought over also. Its a very convenient way to export all points together with clustered points included. I end up with a clean list on Page 9. That way when the office gets my points theres only one point called #1. They never see my 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc. It essentially keeps me from having to deal with clustered points separately.

 

[Wes Hand]

I tried the method you describe but when I selected average single points if moved them all to the destination page and the single points were no longer on the original page that I surveyed on. I lost the ability to look at rtk vs rtpk comparisons once I did the average. Is that what you see happening or am I doing it wrong?

 

[Shawn Billings - Javad]

I tried the method you describe but when I selected average single points if moved them all to the destination page and the single points were no longer on the original page that I surveyed on. I lost the ability to look at rtk vs rtpk comparisons once I did the average. Is that what you see happening or am I doing it wrong?

That could be, Wes. I don't recall ever testing to see what happens to the solutions from single point cluster averages.

I use Single point every time I cluster average. Heres the process.
I’ll take all my shots on page 0. In this I have multi-point shots on property corners like 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc. I also have single shots for improvements, etc. When I am done I cluster average all my points and send them to page 9. When I cluster I do NOT bypass single points. What this does is give me all my points on page 9 minus the 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. All the multishot points become just 1 point and the single points get brought over also. Its a very convenient way to export all points together with clustered points included. I end up with a clean list on Page 9. That way when the office gets my points theres only one point called #1. They never see my 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc. It essentially keeps me from having to deal with clustered points separately.

That is a good reason. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[nusouthsc]

I tried the method you describe but when I selected average single points if moved them all to the destination page and the single points were no longer on the original page that I surveyed on. I lost the ability to look at rtk vs rtpk comparisons once I did the average. Is that what you see happening or am I doing it wrong?

Wes,
Once they are clustered you will lose that ability. Or, are you talking about you lost RTK/RTPK on the original page?

 

[Ron Cloninger]

What if you numbered your singe points with .1, such as 1001.1, would the 1001.1 stay on the original page and the moved clustered point be 1001?

 

[Wes Hand]

Once I averaged the single points it moved them to the averaged page and they disappeared from the page I originally had them on and I lost the ability to post process selected points or look at those points with rtk vs rtpk comparisons. It was like taking raw to design without being able to back up to the original surveyed data so I quit trying that method. Not saying it’s wrong but when I couldn’t see my rtk vs rtpk I stopped trying that method. I could be doing something wrong but the few times I tried I was not happy with the inability to analyze and post process those single points. My method is to export to a csv file and manually delete the 4000.1 4000.2,4000.3 points and keep the 4000. I save the pdf file for records but I don’t import the multiple individual points with decimals into my crd file. I came from a Yellow background where I could locate a particular number multiple times and it was always 4000 wether it was an observed control point or topo point of a terrestrial located point. I had to detox and reprogram my workflow. I’d love to shoot the point as the same number each time and see the residuals like I was accustomed to but I’d never trade where I can go in the woods to a little bit of file manipulation.

 

[Wes Hand]

Ron.. that is what I sort of do. I export the 1000.1 1000.2 etc to an averaged page and I also bypass single points. I isolate all the pages to just my survey and averaged page and export that only. I still manually delete the .1 .2 .3 etc. If I did some substantial calculations in the field I may also select design but 99% of the time my exported data is a surveyed point. I recalculate with office software most of the time for any field calculations. That’s my workflow right or wrong it’s what I’m comfortable with. I very rarely use a conventional instrument for my boundary surveys but if needed I will isolate the averaged page for export and I can send it to a usb drive so I will only get the averaged value for my control or boundary points. This works great if I’m helping another javad user and that person needs my data at that moment in the field.

@Ron Cloninger

 

[Wes Hand]

Wes,
Once they are clustered you will lose that ability. Or, are you talking about you lost RTK/RTPK on the original page?

Yes I lost that ability and further more they were not on my original surveyed page. It’s like they were design points and no longer had any ability to work with the single points with any post processing capability. You think I’m doing something wrong??? Any suggestions are welcomed.

 

[nusouthsc]

Yes I lost that ability and further more they were not on my original surveyed page. It’s like they were design points and no longer had any ability to work with the single points with any post processing capability. You think I’m doing something wrong??? Any suggestions are welcomed.

Wes,
I remember that happening but it was a page issue I as remember. I’ll have to look when I have the unit in front of me. But Im pretty certain they are still there.