New changes and options with new LS Plus

[Darren Clemons]

I just received my 1st LS Plus back on Wednesday and wanted to start a thread as more of us begin using the new upgrade and come across changes, options and issues. As it has been widely discussed, there are so many things that get added with each update and change that the user manuals stay terribly outdated.

I am posting a couple of pics of things that I've already noticed that I'm curious about.

The screen above comes up with a long press of the “auto setup engines”. Matthew Sibole set me up a profile and used the numbers 43 for max signals and 33 for max core engines (engine 1). I’m using a T1M base, so I am not receiving AltBoc I do not think, so those we’ve checked off.
Can others weigh in on the differences and importance of changing these numbers. I believe they were at 60/60 by default. I know Javad has said many times that over a certain number of signals isn’t helpful anyway and it just clutters up the solution. Is that correct?

On this 2nd pic

The different reset boxes available in the profile setup screen are all new. What do any/all of them mean and what is their purpose?

 

[Duane Frymire]

Latest word I have is T1M lacks E6 & B3, but has AltBOC. AltBOC BeiDou signals had some sort of problem occasionally in testing a few weeks ago (not Javad but a satellite problem). If you have trouble with it checked, then uncheck it.

I can't remember the reason for 33 on core 1 and 43 on 2,3,4. But I wouldn't change that for now. Limiting does have to do with rtk but I believe the ppk dpos looks at everything.

No same frequency presumably would give more confidence but take more time. I think testing so far shows you don't need it on; solutions are fine.

Smart reset was for old LS. Sometimes if not getting a fix it was found helpful to reset engines. With so many satellites and signals now it is doubtful it would do anything. Also why verify without reset now.

 

[Steve Douty]

I just received my 1st LS Plus back on Wednesday and wanted to start a thread as more of us begin using the new upgrade and come across changes, options and issues. As it has been widely discussed, there are so many things that get added with each update and change that the user manuals stay terribly outdated.

I am posting a couple of pics of things that I've already noticed that I'm curious about.View attachment 9962

The screen above comes up with a long press of the “auto setup engines”. Matthew Sibole set me up a profile and used the numbers 43 for max signals and 33 for max core engines (engine 1). I’m using a T1M base, so I am not receiving AltBoc I do not think, so those we’ve checked off.
Can others weigh in on the differences and importance of changing these numbers. I believe they were at 60/60 by default. I know Javad has said many times that over a certain number of signals isn’t helpful anyway and it just clutters up the solution. Is that correct?

On this 2nd pic
View attachment 9963
The different reset boxes available in the profile setup screen are all new. What do any/all of them mean and what is their purpose?

I am not attempting to hijack this thread, but feel obligated to comment on your statement that"...the user manuals stay terrably outdated."

I added the following to the Victor LS thread earlier....

Post like this highlight the need for a revised dynamic on-line users manual. I continue to post that we need a user manual that the user can easily update. There are so many great improvements since the last manual, however the existing manual is almost a negative because it is soooo outdated. In addition the way it is presently formatted there is no way to make changes that don't require a renumber of all of the pages. Please JAVAD; create a user manual that is:
On-Line,
Dynamic (kept up to date),
Formatted by sections not consecutive pages,
Searchable,
Has a place for user comments in each section,
Printable, and
As user friendly and wonderful as your hardware is.
$0.02

 

[Darren Clemons]

Latest word I have is T1M lacks E6 & B3, but has AltBOC. AltBOC BeiDou signals had some sort of problem occasionally in testing a few weeks ago (not Javad but a satellite problem). If you have trouble with it checked, then uncheck it.

I can't remember the reason for 33 on core 1 and 43 on 2,3,4. But I wouldn't change that for now. Limiting does have to do with rtk but I believe the ppk dpos looks at everything.

No same frequency presumably would give more confidence but take more time. I think testing so far shows you don't need it on; solutions are fine.

Smart reset was for old LS. Sometimes if not getting a fix it was found helpful to reset engines. With so many satellites and signals now it is doubtful it would do anything. Also why verify without reset now.

Thanks for all the input Duane. That profile is a “quick boundary” sort of profile Matthew set up for me. It is requiring a minimum of 2 fixed engines and, from what I’ve been told so far, when you get that on these new four super engines it IS a good shot. I haven’t used the Plus enough to get any read on what and how I’ll change my old profiles....

 

[Shawn Billings]

Core 1 is the processor for the operating system and J-Field so the number of signals used is set lower because it carries other responsibility.

 

[Matt Johnson]

The J-Field OS runs on its own processor, not the GNSS chip. Core 1 of the GNSS handles satellite tracking and upsampling so it has less resources available for RTK processing of Engine 1 which is done on it.

 

[Duane Frymire]

Thanks for all the input Duane. That profile is a “quick boundary” sort of profile Matthew set up for me. It is requiring a minimum of 2 fixed engines and, from what I’ve been told so far, when you get that on these new four super engines it IS a good shot. I haven’t used the Plus enough to get any read on what and how I’ll change my old profiles....

Mines in getting updated but I'll be using same as I understand LS base is same signals as T1M. Eventually will get base LS updated because I think B3 is going to be important. I may get a chance to operate LSbase with LS+ rover next to T3base with LS+ rover next week and see how they compare. Practical application of what Matt posted is that true 5Hz can still be used with rtk, which is thought to be more valuable than a few more signals.

 

[John Troelstrup]

This request of a new manual is my opinion has become an absolute necessity and long overdue.
Being online and editable certainly makes the most sense.

I am not attempting to hijack this thread, but feel obligated to comment on your statement that"...the user manuals stay terrably outdated."

I added the following to the Victor LS thread earlier....

Post like this highlight the need for a revised dynamic on-line users manual. I continue to post that we need a user manual that the user can easily update. There are so many great improvements since the last manual, however the existing manual is almost a negative because it is soooo outdated. In addition the way it is presently formatted there is no way to make changes that don't require a renumber of all of the pages. Please JAVAD; create a user manual that is:
On-Line,
Dynamic (kept up to date),
Formatted by sections not consecutive pages,
Searchable,
Has a place for user comments in each section,
Printable, and
As user friendly and wonderful as your hardware is.
$0.02

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

There's 2 sides to this.
On one hand, a manual would be nice.
On the other hand, changes are needed.
So, the manual will often lag behind.
A manual might only stay "up to date" for a month, or 3. At the current rate of development.
I like development. I like a manual, that's "up to date". It's a catch 21. Pick one!

 

[Darren Clemons]

There's 2 sides to this.
On one hand, a manual would be nice.
On the other hand, changes are needed.
So, the manual will often lag behind.
A manual might only stay "up to date" for a month, or 3. At the current rate of development.
I like development. I like a manual, that's "up to date". It's a catch 21. Pick one!

 

[Darren Clemons]

First of all, the weather has been terrible in my area since getting my LS plus back and our use of it has been limited. There has however been one noticeably strange behavior that I fear is signifying that I have something not quite set correctly.

During collection, almost without exception, the number of satellites constantly “jumps” from numbers such as 7 to 31. These numbers basically jump at one second intervals, as in each epoch. In the engine screen, the “flash” that coincides with these widely varying satellite numbers goes from fully filled 4 engines with multiple signals to “no data” and a blank screen.

This definitely seems like I’m getting incorrect or incomplete corrections. I am on msm 3.0 short, using a T1M base with all four constellations enabled.

 

[Duane Frymire]

First of all, the weather has been terrible in my area since getting my LS plus back and our use of it has been limited. There has however been one noticeably strange behavior that I fear is signifying that I have something not quite set correctly.

During collection, almost without exception, the number of satellites constantly “jumps” from numbers such as 7 to 31. These numbers basically jump at one second intervals, as in each epoch. In the engine screen, the “flash” that coincides with these widely varying satellite numbers goes from fully filled 4 engines with multiple signals to “no data” and a blank screen.

This definitely seems like I’m getting incorrect or incomplete corrections. I am on msm 3.0 short, using a T1M base with all four constellations enabled.

Did you switch from dqpsk to d8 or d16?

 

[Darren Clemons]

d8psk

 

[Duane Frymire]

There was an issue I thought had been addressed. Only affected some units. Unfortunately, you may need to send it in for rerouting of a wire.

 

[Darren Clemons]

Did that "issue" exhibit the kind of specific behavior that I described above??

 

[Shawn Billings]

There was an issue I thought had been addressed. Only affected some units. Unfortunately, you may need to send it in for rerouting of a wire.

That was with a Triumph 3 and the issue does not present in the way Darren is describing.

 

[Darren Clemons]

That was with a Triumph 3 and the issue does not present in the way Darren is describing.

Whew! That's good. I'd say I've just got one setting somewhere incorrect.......which brings the question inline with all the talk of an interactive users guide.

With all these changes and different base units used (Another LS, T2 or a T1M), there are literally about 397 and 1/2 ways to "screw" up one teeny tiny setting in either the base or rover and if you do, everything falls apart......

How about a specific step by step for each individual base/rover setup - especially concentrating on modulation and correction format for UHF. I know we've changed and switched around those setting a dozen times in the last couple of years in relation to the Galieo and Beidou additions....

 

[Duane Frymire]

Okay, out of ideas other than try d16psk.

 

[Glen Yasharian]

Darren: for what it's worth, I'm seeing the same 'issue' (fluctuating numbers of satellites) with my setup: new T3 with and 'old' LS (non-LS Plus). I'm thinking it mostly occurs under canopy but, I'll have to pay more attention to that next time I'm in the field. I, too, am set at MSM 3.0 short and DQPSK 8. I originally thought it was because I was at the fringe of communication with the base, but, I don't think that's always the case.

 

[John Troelstrup]

I have not had to deal with all these new setting lately due to not updating.
I do want to upgrade but it currently seems like a very big step in what is required to know and without documentation.
Perhaps, once the tweaks and desirable settings get figured out, there could be a white key with a few checkbox selections for a couple of suggested standard setups for different situations where a user just selects the desired end result.
1. Open Sky - Quick
2. Canopy - Boundary
etc..
and it adjusts the internals and base in one step