I was also having issues with CDF today running my 35 watt radio. It showed 100% and packets counting up but showed CDF and no data on my engine screen.
New changes and options with new LS Plus
- Thread starter Darren Clemons
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Glen Yasharian
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I'm still seeing the same problem with 'no data' that I mentioned on my May 19 posting. Should I be updating my Non-Plus LS to the 'pre-release' others are mentioning? Is that a firmware download or a software and how do I find it?
Darren Clemons
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I was out on the largest job today I’ve been on yet since getting the LS plus and I had mixed results. I was able to get some very impressive rtk shots in a very reasonable time frame. We are still tinkering with our settings as far as the maximum signals to process as well as changing the minimum required engines for phase 2 from 2 down to 1.
In certain areas, it is more difficult now to get 2 out of 4 engines than it was previously to get 2 out of a possible 6 engines.
With these new super engines however, the 1 engine fixes are much, much more reliable than they were on the older firmware.
I did get a few jump/fail back to phase 1, but usually saw it go right back to the original group fairly quickly and return to phase 2.
Without a doubt, the biggest issue at the moment for us is problems with UHF and the range, or lack thereof I should say. I was on my 35w radio and was losing signal at about 2700’ on relatively flat ground. The external antenna did not help as I have not gotten it to work well at all since getting my system back. See my previous post in this thread for pics and descriptions of some of the problems.
Does the d8psk that we were told we needed to switch to have that much shorter range than the dqpsk that we were on previously? Matthew suggested I try d16psk but I never went back to my base to change it today. How would it compare and would it work ok with the LS plus?
In certain areas, it is more difficult now to get 2 out of 4 engines than it was previously to get 2 out of a possible 6 engines.
With these new super engines however, the 1 engine fixes are much, much more reliable than they were on the older firmware.
I did get a few jump/fail back to phase 1, but usually saw it go right back to the original group fairly quickly and return to phase 2.
Without a doubt, the biggest issue at the moment for us is problems with UHF and the range, or lack thereof I should say. I was on my 35w radio and was losing signal at about 2700’ on relatively flat ground. The external antenna did not help as I have not gotten it to work well at all since getting my system back. See my previous post in this thread for pics and descriptions of some of the problems.
Does the d8psk that we were told we needed to switch to have that much shorter range than the dqpsk that we were on previously? Matthew suggested I try d16psk but I never went back to my base to change it today. How would it compare and would it work ok with the LS plus?
I wrote about modulation and radio range in the Quick Start Guide as it relates to 5 Hz correction rates. It is still relevant.
D8PSK probably has about a 10% shorter range than DQPSK.
Also you need to select External Radio in the Base/Rover configuration if external Base radio is used or select Internal Radio if internal radio is used.
Do not use the Auto mode. It has been found that Auto mode may be causing problems.
Darren Clemons
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So....Matthew Sibole helped me find this option in base/rover setup to change to manually selecting external radio and it made a gigantic difference......I hadn't gotten over 2700' with the 35w since getting the LS Plus and I drove out to 6300' yesterday and still had 100% radio - even without the external antenna.
During the day, I had to do a hard reset on the LS and it "seemed" to go back to its previous ways of the radio not being as "strong". I went back into that same setting and it was still set on what we started with....
Could the command have gotten "reset" somehow?
Once changed, unless we go back to internal radio, does anything have to be done with this setting from day/day or job/job?
Nate The Surveyor
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@Mitchell D Lane this could be contributing.
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Mitchell D Lane
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What exactly was changed that made the difference?
avoidthelloyd
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Adam. What specific troubles are you experiencing? Range? Connection? Thanks.
Mitchell D Lane
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Nate I dont have LS plus or the setting I believe hes talking about.
Mitchell, this has nothing to do with your issue. Nate, Mitchell is using a Triumph-LS and Triumph-2 with HPT435BT, same as you. This thread is discussing issues with different settings that affect multi-constellation performance.
Mitchell D Lane
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No, my troubles were from the J-Link radio. It has been fixed with a firmware update and now stays on all day without quitting broadcasting.
Darren Clemons
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I installed the Jfield and GNSS updates to the pre release for the LS plus this morning and saw some oddities. The reason I anxiously installed it was hoping it took care of some of my UHF problems I’ve been having and it sure “seemed” like it did. Don’t know if it was supposed to or I just had a “lucky” spot where it worked better than it had been.
The two main things I saw was it definitely seems as if the “auto setup engines” button isn’t doing anything when I hit it. Usually I immediately see a “repopulation” of the sats and that didn’t happen all day. Most times if there’s red x’s within the engines, those go away when hitting auto setup - they didn’t today. Reset engines does work however.
The other odd thing was when flashing on/off to CDF as the plus still does quite often I got this on the engine screen
It went away immediately as soon as CDF went away.
It seemed as if not being able to get auto update to work caused the LS to take much longer to fix. I was on two separate points for 30/45 minutes each with no good results. On both points, I eventually did a hard reset of the LS. As soon as it rebooted and acquired radio signal, it locked in and fully validated a 3 phase shot in seconds - after nothing for 30+ minutes. I went to the next point I had previously been on for quite a while and repeated the exact same thing. Rebooted again - and boom - immediately a validated 3 phase shot. I’m very, very familiar with “sometimes it works better” when you go back to a bad spot several minutes later, but this wasn’t that at all. It was like both reboots kicked it into “super charged” mode.
The two main things I saw was it definitely seems as if the “auto setup engines” button isn’t doing anything when I hit it. Usually I immediately see a “repopulation” of the sats and that didn’t happen all day. Most times if there’s red x’s within the engines, those go away when hitting auto setup - they didn’t today. Reset engines does work however.
The other odd thing was when flashing on/off to CDF as the plus still does quite often I got this on the engine screen
It went away immediately as soon as CDF went away.
It seemed as if not being able to get auto update to work caused the LS to take much longer to fix. I was on two separate points for 30/45 minutes each with no good results. On both points, I eventually did a hard reset of the LS. As soon as it rebooted and acquired radio signal, it locked in and fully validated a 3 phase shot in seconds - after nothing for 30+ minutes. I went to the next point I had previously been on for quite a while and repeated the exact same thing. Rebooted again - and boom - immediately a validated 3 phase shot. I’m very, very familiar with “sometimes it works better” when you go back to a bad spot several minutes later, but this wasn’t that at all. It was like both reboots kicked it into “super charged” mode.
Bill Eggers
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Seems like one step forward, two steps back.
Darren Clemons
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It is exactly that Bill. The steps back are frustrating and are the nature of the Pre release versions of firmware, but Oh My! the steps forward are truly remarkable. When they get this baby all lined out I truly believe they’ll be NOWHERE you can’t take it (ok not inside a building maybe, but that’s about it)! The combination of 4 constellations, 4 super engines and the addition of the rtpk feature (which is just plain and simply a complete game changer) is going to likely make even the most inaccessible points gettable.
Bill Eggers
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Sounds great, but these UHF radio problems seem to be a consistent issue. Right now, mine is not connecting at all.
Darren Clemons
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They certainly are.....I’ve “heard” some things have been “figured out” but, sadly, nothing’s been posted on here by those in the know giving us all who are in desperate need of information, some definitive answers. I think a lot of us would just appreciate some informative updates. The old saying “no news is good news” isn’t always accurate.
Did you tell it to use the external like I posted on the other thread?
Hello Darren,
Please describe, what do you mean under " hard reset on the LS".
If you select "Base Radio - External", the setting will be saved and keep the value after "Turn Off" or "Reboot".
Darren Clemons
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I was referring to just a long hold of the power button until the unit powered off.
After doing this, the setting did, in fact, stay on “Base Radio - External” but the UHF reception certainly didn't work as it did before the reboot.
This was a few weeks ago when that setting was always on “auto” and in the pre release version I’m on now, auto is not even an option. It has to be either on internal or external. I was instructed on how to change that setting on this day for the 1st time and after doing so, the LS wouldn’t even fix within about 75’ of the base. I was getting a “signal too strong” message until getting quite a distance away. Typically, we only have to be about 15’ away from the 35w radio to get a fix and that’s back to where it is now.
I’m not sure why it acted differently this one time but it did.