Michael N. Sprouffske
Member
I have a Vortex Optics PRO GT tripod I use for my spotting scope. it has a quarter inch male attached to a 1.5" X 2" plate in a quick release. This would adapt well to the Javad monopole with a little re-engineering.
OK, Let's Build an LS, how WE WANT it....
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Aaron S
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My dream would be to have ONE Javad desktop app - whether that would be an actual .exe type app or an html app - that contains all the apps pictured below. Maybe with multiple module levels so you don't have to give away everything at once. Once place to go to for all your Javad update, configuration, QC/QA, post-processing, etc. needs.
I realize the approach of the company is to not rely on desktop software and let the LS do all the work, but this is quite a departure from the traditional way of doing things that may discourage certain users from switching to Javad from other brands. I speak from experience because some people that I've preached Javad to don't like the fact that they can't download data and pour through it on the desktop like they're used to doing. Catch more flies with honey, is all I'm saying...
I realize the approach of the company is to not rely on desktop software and let the LS do all the work, but this is quite a departure from the traditional way of doing things that may discourage certain users from switching to Javad from other brands. I speak from experience because some people that I've preached Javad to don't like the fact that they can't download data and pour through it on the desktop like they're used to doing. Catch more flies with honey, is all I'm saying...
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Nate The Surveyor
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I'd like LIKE like it if Javad had a relationship, or bought a drafting office company. (carlson, traverse pc, or such)
So that... We could access screen shots in cad. And, could review all the field activities, on the large pc screen...
Maybe just a Javad add on to Carlson...
So that... We could access screen shots in cad. And, could review all the field activities, on the large pc screen...
Maybe just a Javad add on to Carlson...
JPS2RIN is a module out of Justin and Justin Link so it is already built into those. Firmware Loader is old and has been replaced Netview and Modem. If fact Netview and Modem is really not even needed for most users as all updates can be performed through the LS. Nethub is not something a surveyor needs or is going to use.
J-Field has the ability to export data in more formats than I have seen with any other field software.
What format is missing?
There is no need for Javad to buy some other company to be able to do this. I'm sure Mikhail could add this feature to dwg exports if there is a desire for it. A pdf or html file with the screenshots and images for each point would need to be created and then the dwg point blocks would hyperlink to that file.
Steve Douty
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I agree with what Aaron is saying.
I don't want to just look at data. I want some functionality. I would like to look at the data results on my desktop; study and make the same choices that I make on the LS after I DPOS; then compare the results. As I understand the system now; I DPOS in the morning, chose RTK, PPK, or CORS: then download the coordinates. I then send the LS to the field with the crew, and stay in the office to evaluate the positions as they relate to prior traditional field data, deeds, and anything else I can find. If I want to revisit my decisions about which solution I picked with my first cup of coffee; I must take the LS out of the field/production.
Same dead horse, an emulator, Please.
Having said all of that: The JAVAD system is second to none IMHO. It has changed my life. Given a choice of surveying without JAVAD, or finding another profession. I would find another profession. Thanks for letting me vent.
I don't want to just look at data. I want some functionality. I would like to look at the data results on my desktop; study and make the same choices that I make on the LS after I DPOS; then compare the results. As I understand the system now; I DPOS in the morning, chose RTK, PPK, or CORS: then download the coordinates. I then send the LS to the field with the crew, and stay in the office to evaluate the positions as they relate to prior traditional field data, deeds, and anything else I can find. If I want to revisit my decisions about which solution I picked with my first cup of coffee; I must take the LS out of the field/production.
Same dead horse, an emulator, Please.
Having said all of that: The JAVAD system is second to none IMHO. It has changed my life. Given a choice of surveying without JAVAD, or finding another profession. I would find another profession. Thanks for letting me vent.
Nate The Surveyor
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My dream is to zoom in, (in cad) to the little symbol, with point name, and find a little button, attached to the point. Click this button, and up pops the screen shots for that point.
So I can see the horiz shot spread, how many seconds on point, verticle shot spread. Also, to be able to click the second little button, and see all of the point description. (unlimited)
And, listen to the audio files the same.
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So I can see the horiz shot spread, how many seconds on point, verticle shot spread. Also, to be able to click the second little button, and see all of the point description. (unlimited)
And, listen to the audio files the same.
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This is exactly what hyperlinks in AutoCAD point blocks allow to be done. Just use CTRL + click to open the designation.
Aaron S
Active Member
You are right - I looked back at all those programs and I only really need Justin Link and NW&M. I don't know why I had the others installed.
It's not that there are any formats missing - that part is excellent and perfect in my opinion. What I think is missing (and forgive me if this is all stuff that Justin/Link does already) is the ability to dump in a project file from the LS, and see it spatially, then select points/vectors to examine all the details of how that point was derived and maybe edit aspects if need be.
Yes I understand that the LS already does all these things internally, but I think user experience goes a long way in attracting new people to Javad. This stuff can all be done already, and isn't a problem for us here because that's what we're used to and we can make it work. The J-Field software is superior because you don't HAVE to use a desktop computer to do all this, but it simply isn't as handy as doing it all with a mouse and keyboard on a large monitor, if that option were available.
Have you tried using the RAMS application? This is what it does. There is also the ability to plug a USB keyboard and mouse directly into the USB port on the LS.
DWG files of the points can also be exported if you want to view them spatially.
Steve Douty
Well-Known Member
Matt,
From my point of view, the issue is; you MUST take the LS out of production to use all of the applications that we all agree are wonderful. I don't object to processing with the LS; I do object to not being to reanalyze anything once the crew has left the office.
Aaron S
Active Member
I've tried RAMS and I usually use it in the office, but there is a bit of a lag doing it over IP - not really a big deal but it is noticeable. I'd like to have something like (I didn't want to say it here) Tr****le Business Center as a desktop companion to J-Field. Again, this is my perspective as someone who came over to Javad from that side. I can't be alone in these concerns.
The more I use it, I think this is what JustinLink already does (I haven't used it much). If this is the case, all that would be missing (from my workflow anyway) is the ability to connect to and import LS data via internet or USB directly into JustinLink using that software.
That way, if you were not the guy using it in the field, you could connect to RAMS anytime and grab the data, like a work-in-progress, and check to see how it's going out there and that things are getting done correctly.
The more I use it, I think this is what JustinLink already does (I haven't used it much). If this is the case, all that would be missing (from my workflow anyway) is the ability to connect to and import LS data via internet or USB directly into JustinLink using that software.
That way, if you were not the guy using it in the field, you could connect to RAMS anytime and grab the data, like a work-in-progress, and check to see how it's going out there and that things are getting done correctly.
I would disagree that it is not possible to analyze things without the LS in your hands. If you export a pdf file there are options to include all the screenshots including those of the Processed Point Info screen. And all coordinates can be exported through a csv file and then imported into your CAD program. The only thing you wouldn't have the ability to do is to make changes to the database file. I am checking with developers what the feasibility of running J-Field on a PC is. Right now the priority is getting the Linux OS fully operational. Right now you could also purchase a Victor-LS if you really need to manipulate the database files while the LS is in use by others.
Did you try connecting to the "localhost" that is created by the application? It will be faster because it have to travel through the internet.
This is what Justin Link once did and it was used this way for the Triumph-VS. We made a push to have all data formats capable of being imported and exported directly through the LS as most of us find this much more convient than having to use another program on your PC. It would be much more difficult now to bring this feature back with all the complexities that were introduced to the database format with the introduction of DPOS and shifted coordinates.
Steve Douty
Well-Known Member
Matt,
I will need to look at this. I will admit that I am not skilled in my export options. It may not be perfect; however, it will accomplish the mission. It may also get me off of this horse!
I may be happiest with the Victor/keypad/mouse and a screen that these old eyes can see.
Thanks for listening.
I would like to see that feature if it does not currently exist added to the shape file export, as well as the ability to export that as a field in the .csv file as well.
It would be very handy in any of the GIS packages available.
I currently use QGIS extensively, and am able to access both local and remote (server) data through their (hyperlinks) use very easily.
Patrick Garner
Active Member
Totally agree, Matt. I've never seen export options like Javad's. I thought I was dreaming when I first saw the possibilities. DWG, DXT, SHP, PDF, KML, TXT and on and on.
jack newsome
Member
A rounded or dome shaped cover (with foam padding inside), made of durable lightweight plastic material, that easily snaps over the LS and ext. antenna (possibly hinged with a clasp, think clam shell). This would be inexpensive and provide protection from elements while "traversing" from one point to the next...pops off quick and hangs from a short lanyard while LS is in use, snaps back on quickly; and ready to head on through the underbrush to the next point
Aaron S
Active Member
I'm using rams.javad.com to connect. Not sure how to do the localhost option. If they have to be on the same network that might not work, due to the tight control they have on our network here. My LS using LTE or Verizon hotspot, and my computer uses Ethernet.
Yes this is for when the PC and LS are connected to the same network or you have port forwarding enabled to the local machine hosting the RAMS app.