Problem: Staking line between two points with prorated grade.

[party chief3]

I am staking a turn lane addition ( based on existing pavement of course ) and want to simply rough stake at some random offset to my manually entered design points.
While the station and offset were correct on the screen no cut/fill data appeared. Was this because I was not on line? I prefer to not store offset points in a file containing 2900 points already so I use the spot where it says " go left 8' " as my stake point for the station.
I expect to see a constantly updating cut/fill call-out but did not. The points staked fine but not the line.

 

[Matt Johnson]

Did you have the "Cut/Fill" white box displayed on the Stake screen? Cut and fill values are only displayed in it.

 

[party chief3]

Matt, yes I do put CTT, AheadBack, LeftRight and C/F on screen.
(Which by the way is a cool feature itself).

To be clear; I DID NOT walk over to line to see for my self as the dozers were idling behind me, literally.

 

[Matt Johnson]

The cut and fill should be displayed if you are anywhere left or right of the line. If you are beyond the extents of the line, for example station -10, cut and fill values will not be calculated. This is the only situation that I know of when they are not. Can you provide more details about you went about selecting the line to be staked and maybe provide the project archive?

 

[party chief3]

Sorry Matt, already into a 5 day weekend and have no access.
Also not sure if I was staking "alignment points" or staking "alignment here".
I thought of that already because the new Trimble® units will not in curves either but my stake was a positive station by like 0+00.08' after backing up to it. Still nothing after advancing between points. Not projecting prorated grades is somewhat of a drawback. One of my most often used grading tools is COGO point to line intersections.

In the Line Staking submenu I chose "between 2 points", I gave my beginning design point which is 3D, answered yes to prompt about vertical, gave my ending design point also 3D, answered yes about vertical, pressed the preview page, saw several views of my line and it looked like what I wanted so I chose the stake page. Cycling through the camera views confirmed my position in a very cool way.
My intent was to stake a 8' offset to the right of line for roughing sub-grade. Typically I stake to some randomly paced stationing and use the DTL for offsets that may change for one reason or another.
P.S. I apologize to all for bringing this up with no way to gather hard data on the question til after July 4th. I will be the putz, you guys just have a fun 4th please.

 

[Matt Johnson]

In the Line Staking submenu I chose "between 2 points", I gave my beginning design point which is 3D, answered yes to prompt about vertical, gave my ending design point also 3D, answered yes about vertical, pressed the preview page, saw several views of my line and it looked like what I wanted so I chose the stake page.

If you choose "Stake Line" and then "Line By 2 Points" you would not enter the Edit Alignment screen:

After pressing Stake you will be taken to the Stake action screen.

If you enter Edit Alignment screen shown below, there must be a Vertical profile for cuts and fills.

Anyway attach the project next week and we can see what is wrong with the alignment.

 

[party chief3]

Matt, that does look like my progression through the process.

edit: When you picked your points it prompted whether to use the vertical component? Then populated the vertical profile automagicaly?

 

[Matt Johnson]

You should not need to enter the Edit Alignment screen. You went back into the Stake Prepare screen and pressed Edit Alignment after pressing Stake?

 

[party chief3]

No, went to stake screen. Camera view with 3D points and line overlay confirmed it had calced me SOMETHING.

 

[Matt Johnson]

edit: When you picked your points it prompted whether to use the vertical component? Then populated the vertical profile automagicaly?

No, this is a prompt when creating an alignment with Alignment tool that is opened from "Create Alignment" or "Edit Alignment" in the Stake Prepare screen. You should not need to use this. Just follow the steps in the first 3 screenshots I posted.

 

[party chief3]

Yes, you are right. I will test it Wednesday and give you hard data as opposed to this laborious interview.
No harm or foul is imminent and I am prepared to learn I have made a fundamental error, I am not always right but I try real hard to be careful. The layout follows existing curb.
Does every body elses work with live cut/fill? What is the next screen in your sequence?

 

[Joe Paulin]

When staking a line (by two points) where elevation matters, I would like to request to be able to see cut/fill values when you are beyond the extents of your line, ie outside of the two points that define the line. Is this possible? This would be helpful out in the field.

 

[Matt Johnson]

When staking a line (by two points) where elevation matters, I would like to request to be able to see cut/fill values when you are beyond the extents of your line, ie outside of the two points that define the line. Is this possible? This would be helpful out in the field.

It is possible to add vertical profile extrapolation. Maybe @Mikhail Drakin will agree to do this? I would suggest changing the white box Cut/Fill label to "Ex. Cut" / "Ex. Fill" when it is being extrapolated. This should eliminate the need for a setting.

 

[party chief3]

Matt, if we go just a little bit further to the extrapolating of a picked polyline from some spot grades I may just have to do a cartwheel. I understand we are still waiting for polyline curve POC staking.

 

[Matt Johnson]

Matt, if we go just a little bit further to the extrapolating of a picked polyline from some spot grades I may just have to do a cartwheel.

Yes, vertical profile extrapolation would extrapolate cuts and fills when any of the "Stake Line" options are used to stake a line.

 

[party chief3]

Ideally picked from DWG file.
I prefer staking from CAD files. I filter and check of course but I depend on them. My Employer's Clients call me back because they know when I walk on site they can get whatever they want at whatever offset they want with last nights changes made on the fly. Because CAD. Viva Carlson®!

 

[Mikhail Drakin]

I've fixed stakeout so that North/South, East/West and Cut/Fill whiteboxes work at any point in Stake-Here mode. The fix will be included in the next big release (probably the Linux one).

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

On to the linux upgrade...I just want to say: "awesome".

 

[Joe Paulin]

Thank you Mikhail!!

 

[party chief3]