Reset Buttons To Default

John Thompson

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The layout of these buttons could use some improvement. I don't have fat fingers, but I really don't like having the little Apply button scrunched in the corner right next to that Reset Buttons To Default button over four times its size.:mad:
 

Nate The Surveyor

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It's still *not* a good situation.
We are all creatures of habit.
We once bought a field computer, based on a sharp pc1600. Occasionally, it would clear itself. One day, I found the cause. There was a 2 button sequence, that would clear the whole unit.
We glued balsa wood around things, to protect us from inadvertently doing this. It was unfortunate. With the LS, you can't glue stuff around the huge button. And, that Apply button is still too small. There is a wear pattern, on the edges of the screen, around that Apply button.
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Javad

Administrator
Staff member
JAVAD GNSS
5PLS
Nate, help me to understand "glue stuff" around the huge button. If the Apply software button is too small, what is wrong with the big hardware "+" button next to the Apply?
 

Nate The Surveyor

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Humans are creatures of habit.
I've gotten in the habit of pushing the SE corner of the screen, for apply. If I raise the LS up high, I keep the habit. I am developing the habit of using the + hardware button, all/most of the time. But, I occasionally revert, and press the apply screen button.
It would simply make the screen Apply button more useful, if it were bigger.
To press the +hardware button, you have to grab the backside of the LS, (I'm not telling you anything you would not know).
But, to press the Apply screen button, it does not have to be supported.
Either make the whole screen bigger, or just the Apply screen button larger.
I am 6'3" tall. 225# and x-large gloves are too small. My son, just turned 15, is about 150#, wears size 17 4E boots. His hands are close to my size. Many people with big hands, want bigger buttons.
Yes, I'm migrating to hardware buttons. But, soft touch touchscreen is habit forming... Until it comes to a few buttons.
If you ever do make another LS, (LS + Mega) or a second generation, give it another inch or 2 of size, diagonally.
No aging surveyor will complain.
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John Thompson

Well-Known Member
I use a Seco quick attach between the pole and the LS that allows the LS to freely rotate on the pole. So like Nate said, I have to hold the back of the LS to press the hardware button. The Apply button on the screen takes less pressure (doesn't disturb a carefully-centered bubble) and I find it faster just because most of the other button presses are on the touch screen. And I'm a creature of habit. The Apply button is too small in my opinion, but my biggest complaint that prompted the post his having the Reset Buttons to Default button right next to it. If it just prompted "Are you sure?" that would help a lot. I had the buttons like I liked them and it was too quick and easy to clear it all out.
 

Javad

Administrator
Staff member
JAVAD GNSS
5PLS
Humans are creatures of habit.
I've gotten in the habit of pushing the SE corner of the screen, for apply. If I raise the LS up high, I keep the habit. I am developing the habit of using the + hardware button, all/most of the time. But, I occasionally revert, and press the apply screen button.
It would simply make the screen Apply button more useful, if it were bigger.
To press the +hardware button, you have to grab the backside of the LS, (I'm not telling you anything you would not know).
But, to press the Apply screen button, it does not have to be supported.
Either make the whole screen bigger, or just the Apply screen button larger.
I am 6'3" tall. 225# and x-large gloves are too small. My son, just turned 15, is about 150#, wears size 17 4E boots. His hands are close to my size. Many people with big hands, want bigger buttons.
Yes, I'm migrating to hardware buttons. But, soft touch touchscreen is habit forming... Until it comes to a few buttons.
If you ever do make another LS, (LS + Mega) or a second generation, give it another inch or 2 of size, diagonally.
No aging surveyor will complain.
N


Hi Nate, I understood, What was the story about the glue?
 

Nate The Surveyor

Well-Known Member
It was another small field computer. We glued balsa around one button, to protect it from inadvertent pressing. It was a hardware button. The only way to sort of duplicate this in the LS, would be to modify the big reset button, making it smaller, (so the right side is null), to prevent accidental button pressing.
Mr Javad, we are NOT trying to be annoying. (Although that DOES sometimes happen on a field crew!) We are offering sincere feedback, to make:
1.) Your product more useful.
2.) Our use of it less complex.
I'm a long time team player, and I've got a lot to offer. I've been surveying since I was 4 years old. I'm 54 now. We realize that what makes a great team, is to assemble ALL the parts, into a whole, that is super productive.
When you "push back", at some of these suggestions, it's not interpreted as an effort to promote a team spirit, but as an effort to provide "it's there already". Ie, no change.
I'm trying to say, that these changes WOULD really help. The end user, must push, if it is important to them. (We are doing our job!)

These problems mostly manifest themselves with fat fingered persons, AND frequent use buttons.

I gently suggest that in the big picture of a mature product, that CRITICAL, FREQUENT USE, SMALL buttons, be modified, (I cannot glue balsa to the screen of the LS), to simply reduce/eliminate accidental, incorrect button presses. Besides, a touch screen is contextual.
It seems that these changes benefit both of us. Makes your product better, and reduces our mitsakes!
I hope you will see it this way.
Love what you have done for our industry, already!
I can provide a pic of this glue job, if you want.
Nate
 

Aaron S

Active Member
I'll throw my two cents in there and agree that the + and - buttons are tricky to press, and it feels like I have to wedge my fingertip into the corner (multiple tries sometimes) to get it to register. I know the rubber buttons are available, but like John said before, when I've got the bubble perfectly centered, pressing the rubber buttons involves moving the receiver a tiny bit, which I'd rather avoid when it's set up for collecting.
 

John Thompson

Well-Known Member
I managed to fat-finger that Accept button again today and hit the Reset Buttons to Default button, instantly making me both less productive and greatly irritated. It didn't even have the decency to ask whether I really wanted all my white boxes rearranged. I didn't. I hope in the UI redesign this button gets addressed. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it were deleted entirely. It's much more likely to cost me time and effort than to save me time and effort.
 

Nate The Surveyor

Well-Known Member
To press the hardware + button requires that the user hold the back side of the LS.
The screen press is much gentler.
A bigger button on the screen would be very good.
Signed, Big Fingers, Nate
 
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