Triumph-Family

#1
A PDF (too big to be loaded here) named "Triumph-Family" shows Triumph-NT and Triumph Omega (wired receiver-antenna solutions) among other well-known receivers, hardware and software from Javad. We can even find some specifications in another PDF (attached Omega Datasheet) and we can add little comments here.

Looking toward 2020 as a milestone in GNSS industry, part of us will love to use the reworked Triumph-LS with Linux, multi-constellations and jamming/spoofing protection all-in-one box receiver. LS represent a high-end GNSS solution, as is.

But there will always be another part of us who will prefer to use a Bluetooth receiver/controller configuration, because the receiver without a screen is strong enough to endure scratches from spikes and branches. I respect the T1/T-1M form factor, but many of us will not either refuse a modern, reworked look for T-1M similar to LS style, that will probably find its place into "Triumph-Family".

Receiver+disto pole adapter.png


And a small detail: must have IMU inside. Simply want to tilt the pole without the fear of magnetic disturbances and recalibration.
 

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#2
LS has an unique form factor that will surely permit to mount a precise (optional) angle encoder module underneath (adding 1-2kg in weight, but a total station is about 4-5kg without any GNSS receiver). Using the on-screen cross hair from the front camera, probably we could determine a reliable Hz angle between two directions (BS-FS), then shot a horizontal distance using DISTO (Bluetooth paired with LS).

LS+angle encoder.png


Hope that Hz direction from the (absolute) angle encoder will sync/display onto the LS screen in real time, somehow through a Bluetooth Encoder Loop feature, in order to eliminate additional connection cable. The encoder could use the electronic bubble level from the LS, but the whole system will need a tripod/tribrach mount for quick, easy and precise level adjustments.

One remark: I cannot hold TS + GNSS bags together when climbing, but certainly I will be able to hold a good/optional angle encoder with me.
 
#3
Many features could be added to a modern GNSS base in a smaller form factor: Wi-Fi access point, long range Bluetooth, jamming/spoofing alerts, anti-theft protection, etc.

But just want to ask if a base that accepts inputs from up to two antennas, something like TRE-DUO board inside (standard Galileo enabled 864 GNSS channels), could be used to calculate a loop closure in the field by transmitting all vectors parameters right on my rover screen. Loop closure is a long-awaited feature for RTK and I wonder if J-Field could manage such a task.

http://www.javad.com/dynamic/Shop/Product/4847

I can see that TRE-DUO is ideal for (rover) heading applications, just curious if some base functionality with both antennas could be exploited.

Thanks.
 
#4
The experience from Triumph-F1 (with multiple underside cameras), could be useful and I think J-Mate still has some room for inside camera (or camera array) mounting, in order to obtain full spherical immersive images and high resolution panoramic data from almost any environment, very fast. Just like this:


Capturing full HDR images in seconds will open the door to overlay data onto the laser scans, point to point measurements, laser scans colorization, photogrammetry, etc. With LS receiver above and the Hz angle encoder from J-Mate, indexing any single photo captured will be possible, to better help the user understanding any situation.

Just trying to show that among other functions, J-Mate could also be a highly portable rapid imaging system, with endless possibilities for many industrial applications.
 
#5
Is there a possibility that the the F1 could be built, ordered, or offered with a high precision Lidar Sensor? That would make it a complete all around topo solution. Use the Camera to capture the plan features (ie. roadways, buildings, storm drains, etc.) and the Lidar for the DTM collection, image collecting x,y,z points on a 5' or so grid, to create your topo.
 
#6
Noticed this year some multi-band concurrent GNSS modules, that tend to open the access to high precision GNSS for mass-market, very soon:

https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/gnss-gps-socs/bcm47755
https://www.st.com/content/st_com/e...ment-and-telematics/gnss-ics/sta9100mga.html?
https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zed-f9p-module

With automotive forcing from behind, this tiny chips will probably show no mercy even for a 864 channels GNSS board with 3.5-4.5W power consumption, let's say in the next two years.

So, if possible, why not a Javad Triumph-3 multi-band module, about 216 channels, anti-jamming active detection and removal, advanced anti-spoofing algorithms, ETSI-RED compliant, concurrent reception of GPS, GLONASS, Galileo and BeiDou, all for about 70mA @ 3.0 V (0.070 * 3 = 0.21W if I'm not wrong), very small form factor and for the same 1cm accuracy, that will make a T2 receiver to weigh about half of it's current weight (or less) and surely will be able to compute corrections to rover for half of it's price.
 
#8
Matt, yes maybe some years ago, but now, this is the whole receiver (zed-f9p-module). It will need only a small board to allows efficient integration and evaluation with power source, GNSS antenna and/or UHF/GSM/Wi-Fi/Bluetooth, etc. Just like this example for u-blox NEO-M8P-2:

Block diagram.png

There is a huge difference from a Triumph-2 chip that needs to be mounted on a board, which need another interface board like TRE/TR Evaluation Kit ( http://www.javad.com/dynamic/Shop/Product/1277 ), that will finally connect power, GNSS, etc.

The market for high-precision GNSS receivers will change drastically in another two years. Just want to imagine a "chip scale" receiver from Javad. Anyway thanks for the answer.
 
#9
Victor LS could be a great multitool with a small IMU attached (or maybe inside) and two global shutter cameras that will capture two image at once for real-time processing images and 3D data extraction/photo documentation indoor, or just post-processing multiple photogrammetric images using DPOS+IMU / RTK+IMU techniques, outdoor.


Anyway, the real-time 3D measurements from 2D images scenario will need more computing power, so maybe it's time to focus at the ARM MPU DM3730 processor with up to 1-GHz ARM® Cortex™-A8 Core, 1GB RAM from inside Victor LS and notice that, as far as I know, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 (or better) will also support LINUX.

Victor LS front-rear.png


Same things for the LS.


LS+calibrated cameras.png
 
#10
Sometime we need two mini prisms mounted on the rod (mini pole sections that screw together) or a SECO sliding 360° prism kit, to calculate some hidden exterior/interior points with TS. The quality for every piece involved is essential to get good offset results.

Dual mini prism mount+Disto.png
Probably with some J-Pod adapter, a dual "plus sign" configuration will also work for J-Mate and hopefully the camera-aided smart laser scanner could differentiate between the upper/lower, red/green "plus sign".

p1_dual target mount outdoor.png


With a "tiltable" version for the targets and the appropriate nodal offsets (for rod centerline positioning), both of them could be oriented toward J-Mate (sounds like a pair of gimbals..), regardless of the direction of pole tilt.

p2_dual target mount indoor.png


Just like a "vector-pole" that could help us collecting more indoor/outdoor inaccessible points, from a single J-Mate occupation setup, without magnetic interferences and probably with at least the same accuracy as a modern GNSS+IMU receiver.

Some opinions here:
https://rplstoday.com/community/surveying-geomatics/slider-prisms/
 
#11
The enormity of integration of various software, and available hardware is like shooting a moving target.
We, the users, of various technologies, are often found to be the "point of integration". Via ascii files, etc.
Getting the developers to cooperate, when competition exists between those developers, is not likely.
However, competition between developers, tends to make each developer expand, and broaden their offerings.
The competition model is the best, as it has driven the industrial Revolution, since the beginning of time.
Keep up the good work, Dr. Javad!
:)
Nate
 
#12
J-Mate will be a good companion not only for the LS. A good design will make a very useful tool for all other Javad receiver models. For example, a compact, low profile device like T2 (maybe with a camera) could also do the job.

J-Mate+T2+Victor LS.png


J-Mate+T2 with camera+JMT.png


Or, another form factor, like Alpha-3N with external antenna mounted onto J-Mate, that could change a little bit our way of doing statistics..

J-Mate+Alpha+antenna.png


Accuracy and repeatability in a fixed (steady) antenna position with 1-3 phases could be improved/compared with a sort of a moving (offsetted) antenna that will follow the same path several times. J-Mate could act as a rotating robot, by programming the angular speed (relatively slow), for any scenario we could imagine. Hopefully, after point collection, a calculated best-fit-circle (least squares), must match our known radius (intensive computing power).


All that I need is to see the good radius on my controller's screen, as a constraint.
https://support.javad.com/index.php?threads/windows-10.1537/
 

Sdrake14

Active Member
#13
The enormity of integration of various software, and available hardware is like shooting a moving target.
We, the users, of various technologies, are often found to be the "point of integration". Via ascii files, etc.
Getting the developers to cooperate, when competition exists between those developers, is not likely.
However, competition between developers, tends to make each developer expand, and broaden their offerings.
The competition model is the best, as it has driven the industrial Revolution, since the beginning of time.
Keep up the good work, Dr. Javad!
:)
Nate
I am so glad that you mentioned the industrial revolution Nate. I have been giving a lot of thought to this lately, how it relates to me historically as a surveyor, my relationship to it and position in all of it.

Something that is becoming more apparent to me is that most of the technologies, business models, equipment, and operating methods that are currently standards in our profession as land surveyors (and civil engineers if I must include this) happen to be Industry 3.0 (Industrial Revolution #3) generation models.

I could spin off into a whole abstract discourse of relative facts, evidence, and theories but more specifically the general operational standards I have been exposed to in not too distant past employments, and if I were able to work in a firm operating in the market, be enforced into operating under, are methodologies and systems no different than developed in the early 90’s when RTK and robotic total stations first came at us. (Trimble, Leica, Topcon, etc.)

Sidebar: When I started this in the 70’s we as surveyors were mostly still stuck in Industry 1.0 using transits and steel tapes (I still love telling people I surveyed with a “Gurley and Chain”…the looks) unless we happened to need a radio of flashlight (then Industry 2.0). Then in the 80’s we saw EDM’s, CAD, and data collection move us quickly into Industry 3.0 status. And here we sit…..

To wit the major geo positioning equipment manufacturers, in my humble opinion, are stuck in Industry 3.0 and basically have all their followers drinking the cool-aid keeping it’s workers back from real progressive work models.

Enter Javad. I have thought long about what seems to be the most unique things in my new adventures in making better operating modes with Javad’s equipment in my arsenal and I have resolved that the single most powerful thing is that Javad is fearless in his brilliant ideas and ability to say “BAH!” to standards and has moved us into Industry 4.0 with his standard breaking equipment. I mean Holy smoke with the advantages I have gained here my production as a solo surveyor is easily equivalent to multi person survey departments in firms stuck in Industry 3.0 (or Trimble mode if you will).

Just one simple example being that the J-field integrated DPOS post processing has in fact in my experience made the need for software like Trimble Business Center obsolete, being a focal point of that company’s business model and the cool-aid along with it.

I am so relieved and thankful that the forward looking and thinking philosophy underlying this product has actually given me a way of moving forward with the times in a profession I have enjoyed for 4 decades that appears in large stuck in the past by corporate product tyranny.

I think my new punch line will be “Surveyors meet Javad, welcome to Industry 4.0”.
 

Sdrake14

Active Member
#14
I am so glad that you mentioned the industrial revolution Nate. I have been giving a lot of thought to this lately, how it relates to me historically as a surveyor, my relationship to it and position in all of it.

Something that is becoming more apparent to me is that most of the technologies, business models, equipment, and operating methods that are currently standards in our profession as land surveyors (and civil engineers if I must include this) happen to be Industry 3.0 (Industrial Revolution #3) generation models.

I could spin off into a whole abstract discourse of relative facts, evidence, and theories but more specifically the general operational standards I have been exposed to in not too distant past employments, and if I were able to work in a firm operating in the market, be enforced into operating under, are methodologies and systems no different than developed in the early 90’s when RTK and robotic total stations first came at us. (Trimble, Leica, Topcon, etc.)

Sidebar: When I started this in the 70’s we as surveyors were mostly still stuck in Industry 1.0 using transits and steel tapes (I still love telling people I surveyed with a “Gurley and Chain”…the looks) unless we happened to need a radio of flashlight (then Industry 2.0). Then in the 80’s we saw EDM’s, CAD, and data collection move us quickly into Industry 3.0 status. And here we sit…..

To wit the major geo positioning equipment manufacturers, in my humble opinion, are stuck in Industry 3.0 and basically have all their followers drinking the cool-aid keeping it’s workers back from real progressive work models.

Enter Javad. I have thought long about what seems to be the most unique things in my new adventures in making better operating modes with Javad’s equipment in my arsenal and I have resolved that the single most powerful thing is that Javad is fearless in his brilliant ideas and ability to say “BAH!” to standards and has moved us into Industry 4.0 with his standard breaking equipment. I mean Holy smoke with the advantages I have gained here my production as a solo surveyor is easily equivalent to multi person survey departments in firms stuck in Industry 3.0 (or Trimble mode if you will).

Just one simple example being that the J-field integrated DPOS post processing has in fact in my experience made the need for software like Trimble Business Center obsolete, being a focal point of that company’s business model and the cool-aid along with it.

I am so relieved and thankful that the forward looking and thinking philosophy underlying this product has actually given me a way of moving forward with the times in a profession I have enjoyed for 4 decades that appears in large stuck in the past by corporate product tyranny.

I think my new punch line will be “Surveyors meet Javad, welcome to Industry 4.0”.
I meant "two-way radio or flashlight".....not "radio of flashlight"....and "catch phrase" not "punch line". The product deliver's the punch.
 
#15
Congratulation for the Triumph-3 project.

javad_triumhp-3.jpg


As I can observe, it has an integrated high precision GNSS antenna. Many of us will like this form factor in the field, as a base, rover or maybe together with J-Mate. Combining parts to create a small, versatile system for day by day work, will surely change some existing practices.

No doubt that this receiver will track and use all civil signals but I can notice that hundreds of small sized LEO satellites with rapid change in geometry, probably with ranging signals between them (like Beidou sats), will complement existing GEO and MEO constellations, soon:
https://earthnow.com/
http://www.oneweb.world/

LEO orbits.jpg


New GNSS signals and continuous real-time video of the Earth enhanced by machine intelligence, plus high-speed low-latency internet everywhere and true "rooftop-to-rooftop" ranging/communications, all from space, could make the whole Earth some kind of a mocap studio..


Anyway, welcome to the Family, Triumph-3!