What's the road forward? Triumph 3 discussion.

Nate The Surveyor

Well-Known Member
I have a T-2 on Base, 35 watt Radio, and an LS, working off my local base station.
I spent 30+ minutes, recently in the woods, getting one shot. It had some 39 groups, and finally I settled for a shot that had 22 epochs, and some 650 seconds of time. It may post process out. (PPK). We will see. But, There are times of the day, that the T-2 is all you need. It all runs like a million bucks. But, there are times of the day, when things lag.
No particular order to these questions, but they cross my mind, WHILE waiting for a shot. Here goes:
1.) When will the T-3 be ready, as a base station, for USA sats, Glonass sats, Beidou sats, Galileo sats, QZSS. and whatever Mexico is doing to get their Sat program going! Then, there's Starlink.
Well, whatever is going on, it's not here yet. However, we have not lost faith in Javad. I just take the position that there was alot to do. I'm guessing, that there will come a day, when 60 birds up will be common.
Next question.
2.) How good will it be? Will we be cooking with 40 sats up? will it be running like the T-2 does, when ALL things are going good? And, will it run that good, when we get it, or will it still take a few months to get it straightened out?
Next question.
3.) What will it cost, and can we buy it in one year, with 1st payment sent in, and and 12 equal payments?
Next question.
4.) Are you going to send it out with an EXTERNAL battery? 11 hrs seems like a bad deal. I wish they had made it a little bigger, and put 2 batteries inside. I can see me needing to hook up an external power source, IF I forget to charge. The LS having long battery life, was a VERY good idea. For a base station, being a little bigger, and having similar, or identical power (time) to the LS, seems like a "Good thing to keep going". Please include a "Pigtail" to hook up an external battery.

I hope you all in Research, Development, and Manufacturing are having a good day. Today, I'm learning to do Cross Sections, (I've done lots in the field, but not in a CAD environment, with ACAD.) And, of course, Mr Ashjaee, we are still blown away with what your gear does today.

Nate
 

Clay Davidson

Active Member
I totally agree about go bigger and put more batteries on it. My 1m has lost a lot of its battery life due to using the internal radio a lot. I hook it up to a small sealed lead acid battery, but its just one more thing to keep up with.
 

Matt Johnson

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5PLS
1) I suspect you will see it listed for sale on the website very soon.

2) It will be able to broadcast correction from all systems (GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo and QZSS). RTK processing is done in the rover so your "how good will it be?" question is dependant upon the rover and and its firmware.

3) When it is listed on the website you will be able to see the price. The 13 payment financing is for TRIUMPH-LS systems only. There are other 3rd party financing programs available however.

4) You could purchase an external battery if you desire. Battery Kit 1 would be a good option. All receivers come with a ODU-5/SAE cable that you can use to connect to a 12 volt battery.
 

Nate The Surveyor

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Ok, now give us the skinny. Those pesky options. And, external antenna connector? Is that vhf or gnss antenna?
Give us an idea of what to buy.
Folks that can afford the big fancy 4 wheel drive trucks, don't need em. Folks that live up the creek, where there is no road, they need the max performance they can get.
Configure one for "up the creek Nate"
That means all the power we can get, and no creature expensive creature comforts.
Thanks
Nate
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
The external antenna option is for a GNSS antenna. You may wish to add BeiDou and both UHF and cellular modems. The other options are not needed for typical survey applications.
 

Nate The Surveyor

Well-Known Member
Cellular modem. Then, does it have to have an ip address? Then does the signal go from base, to cell network, to rover?
That would probably be nice, for city surveyors! Although cell signal is penetrating deeper, it's not "here yet".
I'm a UHF kind of guy!
N
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
To work as a base, you'd probably want to go with the Javad Verizon option, which provides a Verizon SIM card with static IP. Of course you can get a static IP for GSM (AT&T) but you have to deal with (i.e. find) a qualified person at AT&T who knows what a static IP address is and how to set one up for you.
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
I can't confirm just yet, Nate. I'm hearing encouraging news regarding the new signals, but I hesitate to say for sure just yet until I have a chance to test it myself.
 

Nate The Surveyor

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Will we be able to use our already purchased radios, (I have 2 radios) and, simply use the t3 in place of the t2? Ie, will bluetooth be functional?
I can see doing big jobs, with a 35 watt radio, then, using the T-3 with 1 watt UHF, to set corners, and do smaller jobs.
Info. It's what we want.
Thank you,
Nate
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
Yes it will work with your existing radios.

It will work as you suggest. Big radio for big jobs. Standalone for small jobs.

The cool thing about the T-3 is that external UHF antenna port. With an SMA to TNC adapter, you'll be able to put your high-gain UHF antenna cable on the Triumph-3 and raise the antenna up high. This will get you significantly more range from the internal UHF radio when needed.
 

Nate The Surveyor

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I realize the t3 has a 1 watt internal radio... But, to utilize it, with the 35 set as a repeater, could require a lot of doing.
Set up t3.
Plug in extra battery to t3, for all day. Performance.
Set 35 as repeater. (Apparently, this reduces the range, as compared with a "straight 35 watt", not set up as repeater), and now, we might even have to use a 2nd repeater still. (I don't know if we can run 2 repeaters).
Anyway, it'd be good to be able to direct swap the t3, into the t2's place, and bluetooth it. It's nearly the same as a t2, but we can also run off the internal. I'm trying to wrap my mind around 2 things. 1.) Performance.
Sequences.
And justify the purchase.
Thanks,
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
Yes. It will be able to connect to your radio by Bluetooth. It will probably allow for more separation between the Triumph-3 and your radio than the Triumph-2 does, because the Triumph-3 uses an external Bluetooth antenna. I have not tested, so I will refrain from giving a range between the T3 and HPT4xxBT, but it will probably be significant.
 
What is the advantage of using the T3 over the T2 as a base? After adding BeiDou the price point on the T3 is $12,490, and the price point on the T2 with data collection is $12,990.
 

Adam

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5PLS
What is the advantage of using the T3 over the T2 as a base? After adding BeiDou the price point on the T3 is $12,490, and the price point on the T2 with data collection is $12,990.
The T3 has a new Gnss chip. The T1M has an older chip but is gallileo and bediuo capable. The T2 is not gallileo and bediuo capable.
 

Shawn Billings

Shawn Billings
5PLS
What is the advantage of using the T3 over the T2 as a base? After adding BeiDou the price point on the T3 is $12,490, and the price point on the T2 with data collection is $12,990.

I'm guessing you mean the Triumph LS not Triumph 2. You make a good point and that is certainly an option. The LS cannot Bluetooth to an external radio for base correction transmissions.
 

Nate The Surveyor

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I'm thinking that if I am using a T-3, in place of a T-2, and it's bluetooth connected to the radio, then the T-3, running without it's internal 1 watt radio, should give similar battery life, to the T-2.
Is this true?
N
 
I'm guessing you mean the Triumph LS not Triumph 2. You make a good point and that is certainly an option. The LS cannot Bluetooth to an external radio for base correction transmissions.
Yes I meant the Triumph LS, sorry little slow this morning. Aren't suppose to be able to use the 35 watt radio as a repeater with the Triumph LS?
 
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