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Nistorescu Sorin

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Playing around with a small Windows 10 device and with my 7" phablet, somehow I managed to bring Tracy, Survey Pro and NetHub in one single place to control them.

Really, I love NetHub and my wish is to have some point collection, Cogo and a few CAD features included, all together with the powerful settings abilities that it already have.

Another option would be J-Field for Windows 10..

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Nistorescu Sorin

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All I can say about this little Intel® Compute Stick after some field testings, is that it helps a lot.

It saved my old, damaged controller screen(my Survey Pro works fine now), can run NetView, NetHub, Justin Link, ModemVu, but also Carlson SurvPC(!!!) demo for the moment and RTKLIB(static, PPP post processing) and many more.

With a portable 10000mA power bank can work in the field all day long, remotely, with any Android device, connected to my T1 receiver.
 

Nistorescu Sorin

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As time passes, I realize what kind of device I need in the field. In a few words, it must be a sum of the devices that we discussed day by day: GNSS receiver, computer, router, display (for the moment, something different from a phone).

Soon a compute card will be released (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-card/intel-compute-card.html) and I ask myself if a GNSS receiver could integrate certified Javad software via a compute card slot - Net View & Modem could be a good example.

Now, I will argue that Net View & Modem is a good start and there is a lot of room for useful functions and even for point collecting routines. I saw that it support multiple windows, and this is an excellent adaptation for a 7" display (and not only).

On the other side it is very frustrating as long as we have fix solution in Net View & Modem and the ability to log NMEA files with positions, to not have a "Store points" routine with Javad statistics, Map interface with country specific coordinate systems and useful CAD functions. In 2017, this things must be the minimal standard. But very good improvements at Spectrum screen.

About the statistics, there are a lot of examples, techniques and routines in Windows 10 that helps to see things from another perspective. So if we consider 10 clusters (each cluster = 5 groups of 5 epochs with verify and reset at every 5 epochs), we could distribute them in real-time, along an offsetted circle with a known diameter (ex: 1m); and around the clock; total 250 epochs;

10 clusters around the clock.png


This looks like phase 1 in LS; we could add phase 2 around the circle without reset for smoothing the solution; in the end, the circle probably will act like a geometric constraint. The above clusters reflect a real field situation with my Triumph-1 receiver, min 3/4 RTK engines, no automatic mode.

Just playing with Windows 10..
 

Matt Johnson

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As time passes, I realize what kind of device I need in the field. In a few words, it must be a sum of the devices that we discussed day by day: GNSS receiver, computer, router, display (for the moment, something different from a phone).

This is why we have the Triumph-LS with J-Field. It is meant to do all of these things.

Net View & Modem purpose it to configure receivers and update firmware.
 

Nistorescu Sorin

Active Member
Thank you for the answer, Matt. Speaking of Windows 10, many people ask me here for a solution that include a rugged tablet and a Javad software. I am just a messenger for them. What I can say is, that if such software would exist from Javad, it would be the first thing to buy in the next morning.

Together with the excellent statistics and interference monitoring that are very useful, we need more graphic capabilities and a larger screen for our eyes.

 

Matt Johnson

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5PLS
Have these people tried a Triumph-LS? The Triumph-LS is typically operated with the display much to your eyes than the large tablet shown in your video. This makes the angle of view (angle from your eyes to the extents of the display) very similar to the tablet shown. Is the problem that these people are far sighted and don't want to use glasses?

Also operating the LS is healthier for your neck and spine than a data controller mounted to the rover pole: http://www.javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20151229.html
 

Jim Frame

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Is the problem that these people are far sighted and don't want to use glasses?

This is something I have to deal with no matter what field screen I'm using. I'm nearsighted, but I wear single-lens sunglasses in the field that are optimized for distance. In order to see the LS screen clearly I either have to take them off or tip my head up and look under them. Someday I may try bifocal shades, but for now I just work around it. In any case, it's my problem, not Javad's.
 

Matt Johnson

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5PLS
we need more graphic capabilities and a larger screen for our eyes.

It is also currently possible to mirror the display of the LS to a large Windows tablet mounted below the LS with the RAMS app for Windows if someone really wanted to do this.


The latency between the app and the display on the LS is much less time now when I try this with the latest versions of the apps and J-Field as compared to this video. We could also add full screen modes too I think.

http://service.javadgnss.net/release/JAVAD/RAMS/Desktop/2.2.6/win/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/javad-rams/id1003791683?mt=8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.javad.ramsviewer&hl=en
 

Matt Johnson

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5PLS
To connect to RAMS app you just need to have the device and LS on the same WiFi network. In the field you could use a mobile router to do this. Soon, when the OS of the LS is migrated to Linux (being worked on now), the LS will have Wi-Fi Access Point functionality and a separate router shouldn't be required.
 

Nistorescu Sorin

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Thanks Matt for the well documented postings.

Using RAMS (or other remote software) is very useful for configuring and service a receiver. As I showed at post #1, this techniques helped me to improve functionality of some old devices. Latency was not disturbing, but in the end no one was interested in such a system for real surveying.

Migrating to Linux is a major step that will probably cost, but it will also cost not to migrate. For us, the end-users, we must avoid situations like coming into work on morning (after week-end) and must deal with an entirely new LS, with entirely new expectations.
 

Matt Johnson

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Migrating to Linux is a major step that will probably cost, but it will also cost not to migrate. For us, the end-users, we must avoid situations like coming into work on morning (after week-end) and must deal with an entirely new LS, with entirely new expectations.

J-Field will look the same but hopefully be faster and the issue with the camera features causing crashes will be fixed.
 

Nistorescu Sorin

Active Member
This thread will also take into consideration some other good sensors from Javad. And a 7" tablet could also be mounted in front of my eyes, a little bit higher on my pole.

By the way, what about Triumph-1M or Javad Sigma 3/3N? Will they also have Wi-Fi Access Point functionality in the future?
As I can see from others, all started with a pole..

starting with a pole.jpg
 

Nate The Surveyor

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Windows 10 is invasive. It is cumbersome. It is continually changing. Bankers all over the world, cannot have all that. Linux was one of the smartest moves javad has done. It's not cutting edge. It's not progressive. But, we don't need the FOUNDATION shifting every month, requiring re-writes of j-field. J-field thrives on a stable foundation. Not on re-writes, and whatever those purple haired, Microsoft, employees deside to inflict on us.
In fact, Microsoft may get forsaken by me, in more areas than this. My anti virus software, in conjunction with Microsoft, has required re installation of my survey software several times already. Maybe Linux would be better for other areas too.
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Nistorescu Sorin

Active Member
Nate, I understand your point of view. If LINUX could support my desktop computer programs, I will start changing it immediately. However, a market for such products surely exists. LINUX, or whatever operating system must help us using such solution indoor/outdoor.


Thank you very much for the answer.
 
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