Did I cook my HPT435?

SynGeo

Member
The last few jobs with the HPT435 have had a range with a max of 2 miles. More like 1.5 at best. I saw >8 miles when new. During the last project, we just disconnected it and the internal 1w on our T3 went two miles. I'm tempted to buy a new cable and see if that will fix anything, although my gut tells me that these radios are like old analog stereo amps and speakers. They don't just fail, but slowly lose their power and increase their distortion. Any ideas?
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
The terrain and viewshed will have the largest impact on the range of your radio. The viewshed for a site can be checked at https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

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To test your radio:

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Brian Ray

Member
Matt,
We've been struggling a bit with our radio performance lately.
We have 2 HPT435 radios that we use with our 2 T3 bases and are running 3 LS+ rovers.

We just did a test today with both radio setups, using the antennas, cables and batteries separately that we normally use with each base/radio.
The RSSI values we are seeing with either radio are very similar at 100', but well less than the chart above. We're broadcasting at 35 watts.
With external antennas on the rovers, the best we're seeing is around -23 dBm. We're seeing -30 dBM and -32 dBm on the other two rovers.

Seems odd we'd get that poor of readings with both base/radio setups.
Also, we're seeing quite a bit of difference in readings on the three rovers, set up side by side.
We even used the same antenna in each rover to make sure that wasn't a problem.

Looking at the chart, we are way off the expected values.
Any clue on what we should investigate?
Thanks,
Brian
 

Ralph McVay

New Member
Fellows:
I run a base/rover combo: T3 and LS+. I have not been getting good radio range between the two for some time now, (about 600-800 ft.). I checked the RSSI at 100 ft. with external antenna and it is around -84. Is this a transmitting or receiving problem or both? I need to send in 1 or both to be checked out. I thought I might get some input from someone familiar with this.
Thanks
Ralph
 

Kelly Bellis

ME PLS 2099
5PLS
Matt,
We've been struggling a bit with our radio performance lately.
We have 2 HPT435 radios that we use with our 2 T3 bases and are running 3 LS+ rovers.

We just did a test today with both radio setups, using the antennas, cables and batteries separately that we normally use with each base/radio.
The RSSI values we are seeing with either radio are very similar at 100', but well less than the chart above. We're broadcasting at 35 watts.
With external antennas on the rovers, the best we're seeing is around -23 dBm. We're seeing -30 dBM and -32 dBm on the other two rovers.

Seems odd we'd get that poor of readings with both base/radio setups.
Also, we're seeing quite a bit of difference in readings on the three rovers, set up side by side.
We even used the same antenna in each rover to make sure that wasn't a problem.

Looking at the chart, we are way off the expected values.
Any clue on what we should investigate?
Thanks,
Brian

Brian,

Post some photos of your cables - hopefully they don't look anything like the ones below!

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And the LS's UHF connector on your LS hopefully doesn't look anything like this one:

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Each end of the cable running between the HPT435BT radio and its transmission antenna shouldn't show any signs of stressing or wear. I would buy a new cable if there's any sign of a damaged cable before performing further tests. Also inspect the external UHF connector on the LS.

When performing the next round of your tests, only swap out the cable between the radio and its transmission antenna. On the LS, don't attach the external UHF antenna, and then record the RSSI at your mark that's 100' away from the radio's antenna. Repeat the test (from power off state on both LS and the HPT435BT radio), but this time with the LS's external antenna connected, and then record the RSSI at your mark that's 100' away from the radio's antenna. The best way to record the RSSI is just by doing screen captures on the LS.

After the tests using the 1st radio and the 1st LS, repeat with the 2nd LS and then 3rd LS.

Finally, repeat all of the tests again using the 2nd HPT435BT.

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With your photos, include your screenshots showing the RSSI, antenna type, power settings, etc.

The tests that were conducted in July 2021 and kindly shared above by Matt Johnson, are somewhat helpful, but the exact part numbers of which cables, antennas, and radios that were used are not listed. Firmware versions are also not given. How much difference would all of that possibly make remains unknown. Maybe there's more detailed reports from the tests run in July 2021, but without them and still with an eye on the chart above, I'd expect results between 12 and 13 decibel-milliwatts difference using or not using the external UHF antenna.

Kind regards,

Kelly
 

Kelly Bellis

ME PLS 2099
5PLS
@Phillip Lancaster - Good point, and another data point reflected on the *_Radio_Status_(hour.minute.second-yyyymmdd),png screenshots - *_ note, this variable may be present depending on JField versioning and I no longer have any Javad gear to play with since I retired. I do miss it <sigh>.
 
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