Triumph2/TriumphLS/HPT435

Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
I still haven't figured out why it won't connect to my desktop, but I got it to connect to a laptop. However, when I go to the BT tab on the radio config, everything is grayed out except BT ON/OFF, which was already set to on:

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The settings look like they match my T2 anyway:

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But I still can't get them to connect via BT.

And while I'm at it: the output power setting is currently set to <21>, but I'm not understanding the units. Is that dBm? W? dBm/W? I'd like to be able to think in terms of watts, since I have at least a bit of experience with those units. Also, shouldn't the Link Space be set to 12.5 kHz? Is a comma the required radix mark for this setting, or does a dot work? Any other settings I should pay attention to?

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Thanks!
 

Jim Frame

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I had to run Netview on the laptop -- for some reason my desktop COM port wasn't seen by the modem -- but using the laptop I got the T2 and the radio paired per the Quick Start guide. However, when I go into the base/rover setup on the T-LS, I get the "Unable to connect with the external radio" message. Even after I specify the HPT435BT, the radio link box goes between "Configuring" and "Receiving," with the progress circle spinning. It never gets a connection.
 

Kelly Bellis

ME PLS 2099
5PLS
Jim,

I'm not certain if you addressed this:
The previously paired T2-HPT401BT will first need to be unpaired before pairing the T2 with the HPT435BT.
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
Kelly why do you think they need to unpaired?

Jim did you press To Base after setting the radio parameters? After pressing Start Base do the BT or the TX ever flash?
 

Kelly Bellis

ME PLS 2099
5PLS
Because that's what I had to do in order to get the 401 to be recognized. Typically, the radio and the receiver that the customer purchases are paired at the factory. When a new radio gets introduced, the previous pairing needs to be undone before the new pairing.
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
I would hope that is not the case that only one radio can be paired. My HPT435BT is suppose to be delivered next week and I plan to use both it and the 401. I will check with Michael to see if he knows.
 

Jim Frame

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Jim did you press To Base after setting the radio parameters? After pressing Start Base do the BT or the TX ever flash?
Yes, BT flashed, then TX goes into a steady blink. However, the T-LS doesn't update the UHF config (power output, call sign), and I don't get corrections. It does correctly ID the radio when I go into UHF config, though.
 

Jim Frame

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Because that's what I had to do in order to get the 401 to be recognized. Typically, the radio and the receiver that the customer purchases are paired at the factory. When a new radio gets introduced, the previous pairing needs to be undone before the new pairing.
I'm assuming that when I paired the HPT435BT using NetView it overwrote the previous pairing. Is that not the case?
 

Jim Frame

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Just so's I better understand what's happening -- or not happening -- will someone verify and/or correct my concept of the base/rover/radio setup? Here's what I *think* goes on:

1. The T-LS talks bidirectionally with the T2 via BT1. It sends base location to the T2 (To Base) or gets it from the T2 (From Base), gets the radio ID from the T2, and sends UHF config data to the T2.

2. The T-2 talks bidirectionally with the radio via BT2. It gets the radio ID from the radio, and sends UHF config data to the radio.

3. The radio talks 1-way to the T-LS via UHF, sending position correction data.

If what I've described is correct, then in my current situation the T2 appears to be talking to the radio, but the radio config data isn't getting from the T-LS to the radio, and correction data isn't getting to the T-LS from the radio. When I press Start Base the radio TX starts to blink (maybe after a bit of BT light flashing), but the T-LS doesn't update the radio output display and the UHF send/receive box shows N/A on the receive (left) side and "Configuring" in the middle.
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
To Base and From Base only sends or receives the radio configuration (the values in the box on the left of the screen) to or from the TRIUMPH-2. Send to Base in the Proposed Base Position screen sends the broadcast coordinate to the the TRIUMPH-2. Start Base tells the TRIUMPH-2 to start recording data, sends the radio parameters to the radio and sends the command to start broadcasting.

Jim what power output are you broadcasting at and how far is your LS from the radio? If you broadcast at a high power output and the rover is close to the radio it will be overpowered and not be able to properly receive the corrections. Try moving the LS farther away if you are broadcasting at 35 watts.
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
I have had other questions about what From Base and To Base do. There seems to be a lot of confusion with these two buttons. If anyone agrees, I will request that the GUI be modified so that the perimeter of left box with the radio parameters is expanded down to include the From Base and To Base buttons. I think this would make their purpose more clear.

Also I will request that Start Base be greyed out if there is a radio parameter in the left box that has been modified but To Base or From Base has not been executed yet. In these situations, these parameters are currently shown in red.
 

Jim Frame

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Jim what power output are you broadcasting at and how far is your LS from the radio? If you broadcast at a high power output and the rover is close to the radio it will be overpowered and not be able to properly receive the corrections. Try moving the LS farther away if you are broadcasting at 35 watts.
I did have it at 35 watts (3200 mW?), but dialed it back to 400 mW and got the same result: solid BT and blinking TX, but nothing at the T-LS.
 

Jim Frame

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Is the 2D delta showing a valid distance? Also try turning uhf off and then on again in the Triumph LS.
Yes, it's plausible. I'm doing this at my desk, so SV visibility is extremely limited. I tried turning UHF off and on again, and rebooting everybody, with no change in results. As to Matt's question, yes I pressed To Base and let it cook before pressing Start Base.

Here's what it looks like:

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Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
Do the red items in the base config box mean they didn't get sent to the radio? I had the power set at 400mW in the UHF config screen.
 

Kelly Bellis

ME PLS 2099
5PLS
I'm assuming that when I paired the HPT435BT using NetView it overwrote the previous pairing. Is that not the case?
That's why I broached this, Jim. It is not the case from my experience and from what I've been told. The user must manually unpair the previously paired radio before pairing the new radio all done using NetView.
 
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