Beast Mode on the Net

Jim Campi

Active Member
Gentlemen:

Are you using Beastmode with Network RTK?

I don't believe I have seen it mentioned here. Simply configure the LS for a 0.2 sec update rate, check upsampling and prepare for a pleasant surprise.

It's especially nice if you have the cellular option activated.
 

Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
I haven't tested my TCP connection out in the wild yet, but from what Adam told me you can run true 5Hz and leave upsampling unchecked. If you upsample you'll be extrapolating the interim corrections. Unless heat is an issue, I don't know why you wouldn't run at 5Hz.
 

Jim Campi

Active Member
Just to be certain we are discussing the same conditions. When I say network I am referring to a network service that provides real time corrections NOT a network we individually control and broadcast our own corrections.

In this case you need an LS, a data plan,reasonable base line to the network known point and a subscription to the network.

The California Real Time Network provides free accounts to the community. Now I can perform an RTK survey and only own the LS and take advantage of Beast mode.

I believe thisy is a fairly new addition to J-Field.
 

Jim Campi

Active Member
One more quick point.

If we are using a UHF radio, we have the option of transmitting corrections at 1 Hz, upsampling the data on the LS at 5 Hz. This will provide essentially the same performance as Beast mode in terms of data quality and survey time. The advantage of this is decreasing the radio's modulation. It will allow greater range/penetration, decrease battery consumption and decrease heat output.

I haven't verified this however; it looks like performance is as strong as having true 5 Hz processing.
 

Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
Just to be certain we are discussing the same conditions. When I say network I am referring to a network service that provides real time corrections

I misunderstood, having been wrapped up for days now in trying to configure my T2 cellular connection.

I use CRTN a lot, since a fair bit of my work is within 10 km (and often less than 1 km) of a CRTN mountpoint. I'll have to try upsampling it. Until this morning, I didn't even know that upsampling was available.
 

Jim Campi

Active Member
I used it yesterday on a site in Vacaville receiving corrections from Mountpoint P268. Performance seemed identical to the T2, UHF and LS combination.

In fact, I surveyed the first half of the site about a month ago using my own base and running it through DPOS

Setup time was about 2 mins.

This is a significant addition to our tool chest.
 

Adam

Well-Known Member
5PLS
Upsampling works well with UHF, extending range and reducing strain and heat on the radio. Also It conserves battery life. It also enhances network use.
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
One more quick point.

If we are using a UHF radio, we have the option of transmitting corrections at 1 Hz, upsampling the data on the LS at 5 Hz. This will provide essentially the same performance as Beast mode in terms of data quality and survey time. The advantage of this is decreasing the radio's modulation. It will allow greater range/penetration, decrease battery consumption and decrease heat output.

I haven't verified this however; it looks like performance is as strong as having true 5 Hz processing.

Yes, everything you said is correct. Upsampling provides the same performance as 5 Hz corrections. I have tested it with an external GNSS antenna split to feed 2 LS's, one with receiving 5 Hz corrections and the other upsampling 1 Hz corrections to 5 Hz, there is no detectable difference.
 

Adam

Well-Known Member
5PLS
I will add that having your own base is almost always better than using a network. You lose so many advantages that DPOS and Hybrid RTK bring to the table, when you rely on a network.
 

Jim Campi

Active Member
I will add that having your own base is almost always better than using a network. You lose so many advantages that DPOS and Hybrid RTK bring to the table, when you rely on a network.

HI Adam,

I completely agree. Before I realized that we could upsample network corrections on the LS and achieve 5 Hz performance from a service transmitting corrections at 1 Hz, I would't use the California Real Time Network. It felt like using dial up when a broadband connection was available. However; now that we can achieve the same performance, there are some applications that are appropriate. For example, if I need to pick up a few points or perform a fast topo for a preliminary design, this is a great option. The setup time is less than 5 mins.
 

Adam

Well-Known Member
5PLS
Wes, in setup recall the general group profile for NCGS. Tap advanced, tap rtk/dgps, change from 1 to .2 for rate and check use Upsampling.
 

Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
Yes, everything you said is correct. Upsampling provides the same performance as 5 Hz corrections. I have tested it with an external GNSS antenna split to feed 2 LS's, one with receiving 5 Hz corrections and the other upsampling 1 Hz corrections to 5 Hz, there is no detectable difference.

It does beg the question, though, if it doesn't make a difference, does it offer any material advantages? I gave it a quick try this afternoon, and the most notable thing I saw was that the 10 verification epochs happened in about 2 seconds, as expected. So verification is being done with an extrapolated solution, yes? I'm not sure that's a good thing. Is there a way to change the number of verification epochs with V6 Verify?
 

Matt Johnson

Well-Known Member
5PLS
It does beg the question, though, if it doesn't make a difference, does it offer any material advantages? I gave it a quick try this afternoon, and the most notable thing I saw was that the 10 verification epochs happened in about 2 seconds, as expected. So verification is being done with an extrapolated solution, yes? I'm not sure that's a good thing. Is there a way to change the number of verification epochs with V6 Verify?

No, the upsampling being done is not the same thing as an extrapolated solution. Interpolation is used to simulate/create 5 hz corrections. The RTK engines then process the corrections at a 5 hz rate. The advantage here is the same as it is with real 5 hz corrections, the RTK engines will fix faster when they are receiving good data. Increasing the Confidence Number will increase the number of epochs collected in the Phase One.
 

Jim Frame

Well-Known Member
Nevertheless, with only 10 epochs of verification, I'd much prefer that they be spread over at least 10 seconds. (Not interpolated would be even better.) Are there any plans to allow the verification epoch number to be modified, or is that available already and I just didn't see it?
 

Adam

Well-Known Member
5PLS
Tap on the compass in the Action/Collect screen. Tap Verify then Confidence Level.

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