Stakeout Accept Points As

[Bruce Dawson]

Hi everyone,

So I am having difficulty with the "Accept As" option doing a stakeout. I had a topo job yesterday that worked nicely using stakeout to a line for doing a grid on a site. I did the Accept As box and collected shots at each grid location starting with 6000. The points show up as Design points in the Points listing. I also did a few shots at unique tops and toes but using the straight collection screen. They show up as Survey points. So now my question: I can't seem to download the Design points gathered in the stakeout screen. They can be exported as Design points, but the XYZ values don't match what shows up in the Points listing (by several feet). Some of the Z values are even 0 in the exported file. I also set the code in the Accept As box, but it did not come over (just has DefCode).

What am I doing wrong?

Bruce

 

[Adam]

Try checking that the coordinate system is what you want on the page with the points you are exporting.

 

[Bruce Dawson]

Try checking that the coordinate system is what you want on the page with the points you are exporting.

Adam, the coordinate system looks to be the same. I use NAD83(2011) Washington North pretty much exclusively. This job is an old one (from 2016) that I was just doing additional work on. The points are there, they show up in the Map and the Point list. It's just that the values in the Point list do not match what I am getting in the Export file. For example:

No. North East Elev.
6006,255972.087,1793570.399,757.572 Point List
6006,255969.256,1793570.337,759.328 Export File

I can only get the point to show up in the Export routine if I choose Surveyed Design points. Is that how they are classified? I recall a discussion about multiple values for the same point (Design and Collected under the same point number) but thought the Accept As was suppose to store a new point.

Bruce

 

[Matthew D. Sibole]

Can you post the project archive and let someone take a look at it?

 

[Bruce Dawson]

I am not sure how to post it, the ZIP file is almost 12mb. It won't let me just upload it on the forum.

I also should add that I just brought the Export file into my DWG and all my points seem to be on the baselines I was using for my grid. No coverage at the actual offset grid locations I thought I was getting. So I really don't know what is going on now!

 

[Adam]

Or maybe put it on RAMS if the file is to big. You can drop a link to it if you can get the archive on dropbox or google drive. Use the link icon above.

 

[Matt Johnson]

I can only get the point to show up in the Export routine if I choose Surveyed Design points.

It sounds like you are not using Accept As to save these points. If you used Accept As they will stored as survey points, if you Accept a staked design point it attaches to the design coordinate as a surveyed design point and you need to choose the "Surveyed Design" points to export these coordinates.

To use Accept As you must click Accept As and then Create:

Or you can configure staked points to always be accepted as a new point in the How To Stop screen and this will replace the Accept button with Accept As:

 

[Bruce Dawson]

Matt, I thought that was what I did. I did end up with the point numbers I indicated (6000+), and they are Surveyed Design points but have differing values as I indicated above. I just don't understand why they show up in the right location in Map, show up with good values in the Point list, but don't seem to want to export so I can use them.

I do not know what RAMS is, or how to upload the ZIP to it.

If I could figure out where the screenshots go, I would attach one to indicate what I am seeing.

Help!

 

[Matthew D. Sibole]

Connect your LS to the internet either by WIFI or by LAN cable. Go to support and hit Remote Assistance. Hit connect at the bottom and tell us what your serial number is. Someone will take a look.

 

[Bruce Dawson]

Connect your LS to the internet either by WIFI or by LAN cable. Go to support and hit Remote Assistance. Hit connect at the bottom and tell us what your serial number is. Someone will take a look.

Okay Matt, I am connected. I am looking at the bottom of the LS, is the SN there?
Okay, I see the s/n port on the back. It says 00428.

 

[Matthew D. Sibole]

I'm not sure if anyone else looked at it but when I try and export the export values look just the same as the points list.

 

[Bruce Dawson]

I'm not sure if anyone else looked at it but when I try and export the export values look just the same as the points list.

Matt, I was watching you work. I thought I did the same thing as you, but got the different values in my TXT file. Not sure why, or what I did different. So let me upload the file you created and see how things look in my DWG.

Okay, things look fine. I don't know what I was doing during the Export before, but this looks good. Attached is what I was getting. I just tried again and got the good values. ?????

Thanks for all your help and once again you guys prove how amazing this system is! I will put this down to operator error...

 

[Matthew D. Sibole]

I did not create the file I just looked at the preview. To verify the point coordinates were the same as in the points list. You can just look at the txt file in a txt viewer prior to importing them into a cad software to make sure the points are right.

 

[Matt Johnson]

I took a look at your project too. It appears that you are correct, when you staked an alignment using Alignment Points mode and use Accept As it created Design (target point on the line) and Surveyed Design Coordinates for these points. I have not figured out how to replicate this though. Everytime I save a point with Accept As using Alignments Points mode it only creates a survey point.

@Mikhail Drakin may know why it created design and surveyed design coordinates for you. I have attached the project along with the exported surveyed design coordinates.

 

[Mikhail Drakin]

Either "Accept" was used instead of "Accept As", or "Auto Accept" was on (though for the latter I see no evidence in stored settings). "Accept As" unconditionally creates new survey point without design coords. Bruce, did you exactly press "Create" after coming to "Accept As" screen, or did some editing (Name, Description, or Code editing)?

Regarding export - current settings in the project archive state that "Export Surveyed Design Points as Separate Points" is off; and only design coords are included in export template. So even as surveyed coordinates are stored with staked design points, they will not be exported - that's why you are seeing incorrect numbers in export. You need to include Surveyed coordinates in export template.

 

[Matt Johnson]

Mikhail, how would it be possible for Bruce to have point names in the 6000's when staking alignments if Accept As was not used? I always see alignment points being saved with names formatted "station / offset".

 

[Mikhail Drakin]

This was fixed when Accept As was added: https://support.javad.com/index.php?threads/stake-here-naming.838/. So the 6xxx points were created by plain Accept. Question is, was this manual Accept, Auto-Accept or some bug which triggered plain Accept from Accept As.

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

You HAVE to check the "Accept As" box for EACH PROFILE.
I'm guessing, you did not have it checked, for the profile you were using.

Nate

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

A step by step, to make this easy to check:
1.) Go to STAKE action screen. (can press Stake Hardware Button 2x)
2.) Hit compass in top middle.
3.) Hit Recall, and recall the profile to be used.
4.) Hit Stop After. (this is the upper right button)
5.) Down, lower right, you will see a check box "Accept as new point".
Make SURE that box is checked, in the profile are using.
Nate

 

[Matt Johnson]

This was fixed when Accept As was added: https://support.javad.com/index.php?threads/stake-here-naming.838/. So the 6xxx points were created by plain Accept. Question is, was this manual Accept, Auto-Accept or some bug which triggered plain Accept from Accept As.

I see that it was fixed with "Alignment Stake-Here" mode but not "Alignment Points" mode.