What, pray tell, is smart tip?

[Darren Clemons]

I disagree. T1M-T1M carlson is the industries current setup. No matter what color you get. The LS is the future. I cannot seem to figure out why anyone that would use the LS for a time. And in that time you can visually see the verified checks would want to go back to a single engine with no checks. That is like saying a typewriter is mainstream. It's just what everybody want. The computer is just too far in the future.

Just the other day we sent a .dwg to field guy about an hour away. Office put in the wrong r/w line to be staked. Field guy caught the mistake and called the office. I was on the phone when he called in and I walked them through sending the drawing through RAMS in about 15-20 seconds. And we could have loaded it also with no help from the field but we let him take if from there. Not knocking your current setup but there are many more doors opened with the LS. But hey. Thats just me.

Very good comparison Phillip and I completely agree. I do respect everyone's personal preferences but I wouldn't go back to a regular data collector setup now if any company out there that made one gave me one with the best software they had available it in!
The discussion of growing the market share, I guess, is significant for larger companies but from most of past history the time to get in on groundbreaking technology is in the beginning. That way I'm already years into using it while everyone else tries to catch up. More than likely they're also going to be paying much more for the LS setup in the future.
Doing things like Philip describes above and with the hybrid RTK this LS, in my opinion, is simply far and away the most versatile piece of survey equipment that has ever been offered to the survey community.

 

[Shawn Billings]

Of all the debates on the Internet lately, this is my favorite. Arguing about who is happiest with their Javad equipment.

 

[Sean Joyce]

like I told Dave Simolo one time, I feel sorry for guys that invested heavily in Trimble Leica etc.
Read their literature and tech specs.
about what they offer now, they have nothing like Javad. Its a complete waste of money in my view.
Think about this, I have had my system for 2 years and have benefited from all the innovation in that time and not had to buy anything, from RTK verify, to beast mode, to Hybrid RTK., all the JField updates etc.
I don't need a cumbersome "Business Center" to go along with my hardware.
Using licensed professionals for development has been a brilliant idea.
Tip of the hat to the programmers and designers that put the original box together it appears to me that they knew where they were going with this years ago.

 

[Jim Campi]

Hate to hijack this thread but...
I look at it this way. Javad is fantastic equipment, but the market share is low in the US. The LS is scary for a company with established equipment, and while having revolutionary features, does have its drawbacks in form factor (for some), TS integration, and software. The T1-M is a better choice for me - and others, but a big established company may not see much difference in that an another flavor, especially with a big inventory of another color. OK, could we increase the market share, and get Javad more mainstream with a bit more conventional equipment, that has more features then other colors? By making a Javad module for Carlson which could access a few of the coolest features, it could open up more market share, then once people are more comfortable with the green - they would be more apt to try or jump to a more non-conventional platform (the LS).
With the Hemisphere GPS partnership not sure Carlson would allow something like that, but they have always played so well with others, I would hate to see that change. The final take on this is yes I want to more cool new features, but I don't want to give up my Carlson Surveyor 2 DC.

How do you know Javad isn't meeting their marketing/sales/produict penetration objectives? A well adopted, mediocre product isn't always better.

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

"Many of those hours with a permanent grin"
Ain't that the truth!
Nate

 

[Phillip Lancaster]

I was doing some testing on a 35 watt radio we thought we was having problem with. With a T1 as base bluetoothed to radio and we set out with 2 LS's and my other T1 running with a Carlson controller. Our goal was to figure out if we actually had a problem and how far the 1 watt internal with narrow banding goes and how far the 35 watt goes. Turns out our original testing area was terrible. The LS has so much info shown on multiple menu's. Carlson.... ummm. Distance to base and latency. And people actually think this is great software. Granted, it gets N,E,Z,D and at the end of the day, that's what I'm looking for but after running the LS with all its info. I know what's going on behind the scenes. This little box turns you into an information guru. And with the different checking collection profiles you can pick. It turns you into an accuracy nazi. I hate that but it has already ruined me. Every time I have to use the T1-T1 Carlson in some real shady areas I have to do multiple shots or offsets to feel good. Not that way with the LS. The LS actually IS the ultimate land surveying machine. Radio, cell, or no communication. I know I'm going to get a good position when I get back to the office. Now if I could only sell my other T1-Carlson controller and buy a new LS.

 

[Nate The Surveyor]

Phillip,
If I could afford it, I'd buy 2 of them, just cause!

In the future, I can see some 4th generation, LS, with some sort of excellent icloud data base, or bluetooth data base, where you can run MULTIPLE LS's in the field. When they get close to each other, they sync up to each other. When they get into a 3G or 4G Network area, they all sync through the cloud.
This way, you can have ONE base running, and an endless number of LS's running off it. And, accessing the raw data file it has. And, you can have a 4 man crew, with 4 LS's all tackling the same job. At the same time. And, all their data is in one pile, at the end of the day.
Someday....

Nate

 

[Joe Paulin]

Nate, is there a limitation right now where a person can't run multiple LS rovers off one T2 base with a UHF radio? Back when I worked for the man, we would run multiple rovers off one base all the time - 3 sometimes 4. Unfortunately I don't have several LS units to try it but I don't see why you couldn't.

 

[Adam]

Nate, is there a limitation right now where a person can't run multiple LS rovers off one T2 base with a UHF radio? Back when I worked for the man, we would run multiple rovers off one base all the time - 3 sometimes 4. Unfortunately I don't have several LS units to try it but I don't see why you couldn't.

Linking to uhf with multiple receivers is easy. Just set frequency and go.

 

[Joe Paulin]

The only hiccup that I could see would be with Hybrid RTK or post processing with the second or third rover. After stopping the base and downloading with the first Rover, if you manually put the base file into the other rovers, would the automated post processing work? A suggestion would be in the base rover setup screen, to have an option to pull a static file in to the LS for use in post processing the work done in that receiver.

 

[Shawn Billings]

It's not possible now. It should be addressed.

 

[Phillip Lancaster]

Phillip,
If I could afford it, I'd buy 2 of them, just cause!

In the future, I can see some 4th generation, LS, with some sort of excellent icloud data base, or bluetooth data base, where you can run MULTIPLE LS's in the field. When they get close to each other, they sync up to each other. When they get into a 3G or 4G Network area, they all sync through the cloud.
This way, you can have ONE base running, and an endless number of LS's running off it. And, accessing the raw data file it has. And, you can have a 4 man crew, with 4 LS's all tackling the same job. At the same time. And, all their data is in one pile, at the end of the day.
Someday....

Nate

Nate,
This is exactly what we need right now. Running multiple LS's with a sync feature would be a dream. Most of the time we have cell and uhf on at the same time. If we have uhf on its because cell is spotty but we leave it on for the office to check in with rovers from time to time and get points as needed.

 

[Joe Paulin]

It's not possible now. It should be addressed.

Shawn,

Could you clarify: it's not possible to run several LS units off a T2 base, or it's not possible to use the automated post processing features?

Thanks

 

[Phillip Lancaster]

It's a frequency or its a port spewing out corrections. There is no limit.

 

[Joe Paulin]

I understand this, however it seems J-Field base/rover setup screen is currently optimized to only run one rover off a base, I could be wrong. I will try setting up the base with JMT and see if the LS picks up the corrections without going through the base/rover setup screen, to model a scenario where multiple rovers are sharing a single base, unless someone else can confirm this works. I don't see why it wouldn't work. Still, it seems like the automated post-processing functions would be limited on the extra rovers (the rover that connects to the base at the end of the day and downloads the base file would be fine).

 

[Adam]

Joe, I have ran 2 LS's off one T2. You start the base with one. On the other LS recall the setup and make sure the freqency matches. You don't have to re start base on the second rover. I haven't tried starting the base by using JMT but I don't see why it wouldn't work. When you do this the second LS has no base file, so no processing can be done with it.

 

[Joe Paulin]

Got it, that's what I was after, thanks.

 

[Shawn Billings]

Multiple rovers are no problem. Post processing by hybrid rtk using dpos with multiple rovers from single base is not supported. I've made a request for this recently.

 

[Joe Paulin]

Thanks Shawn.

 

[Darren Clemons]

Nate, is there a limitation right now where a person can't run multiple LS rovers off one T2 base with a UHF radio? Back when I worked for the man, we would run multiple rovers off one base all the time - 3 sometimes 4. Unfortunately I don't have several LS units to try it but I don't see why you couldn't.

Joe, we have 3 combos of T1M bases and LS'S. On several occasions we use only the one base and all three rovers. Like Adam says, as long as all are on same frequency you just turn the other two rovers on and they're ready to go. Don't even need the base coordinate they just pick up where the corrections are coming from. Easiest thing we've ever used with multiple rovers. We did a 300 acre farm a month back that had over 2 miles of frontage on a river. Had all three rovers leap frogging each other. Talk about taking probably 3 days of hard work down to one day! If any particular spot looked "extra tough" we'd let the guy who had the dpos capability shoot it where we'd have our 15 minutes of dpos.
I had asked about the dpos processing from 2nd and 3rd rover after this job. As of now, the only rover you'll be able to process from will be the one that started the base. Shouldn't be to difficult to get an "import base file" or something similar where we can process all of them.